Diesel Carisma Will Not Start, Diesel Carisma 2002 DiD non starter Options

[JCostelo]

Hello All,

My 2002 Carisma DID will not start. I tried searching but there is not much info. on Diesels.

This was in an intermittent problem that had happened before but the car would start when the electrical connection going to the
solonoid (fuel valve) on the diesel pump was shook (or so I thought). It now refuses to start.
The solonoid on the fuel pump was making a buzzing noise and I observed that the voltage going to it was low (it was not turning on fully).
I wired up the solonoid directly to the battery (via a resistor as 12 volts is too much) in order to hold it on (not buzzing). The pump still did not pump
fuel as observed by taking off the high pressure pipe going to the common rail pipe.
Taking out the solonoid I noticed (by blowing into it) that the valve (solonoid) passes fuel when the power is NOT connected to it? Seems strange.
I disconnected the supply and now the pump appears to be pumping OK (by observing fuel coming from the disconnected high pressure
pipe going to the common rail). I have taken out an injector to observe fuel being squirted from it. I have not actually got the injector connected
yet as I need to obtain a spare (will bend it) high pressure fuel pipe from the breakers yard to connected the injector where I can see it
(dangerous I believe but caution will be used).
Before disconnecting the injector I attempted to observe electical pulses going to the injector by putting a 6 amp ac clamp meter on one of
the injector leads but it did not show any pulses on the needle as I turned the engine. (The engine was making the meter vibrate alot so I could
not see it clearly and I have no one to turn the engine while I hold the meter above engine). I do not know if this meter is capable of showing these
pulses anyways.

Added later:
The engine light has now started to come back on (few seconds after going out) when I am just about to start turning the engine.
It does not blink when turning engine but stays on.

There is a sensor on the common rail pipe. Is this a pressure sensor and how might I test it. Has anyone got any data etc. Is it relevant?
Would it be an immobalizer problem and is it possible to disable the immobalizer as I do not require it. Would rather have a hidden
(more easy to diagnose if problem occures) switch under dash for to prevent theft.
I have tried two different keys to start the car.



Thanks for any pointers. I am not a professional mechanic (you would never have guessed!!!!). Please feel free to ask me any questons.

EDIT:
:wacko:
The above ravings are not accurate. The 'solenoid' or 'valve' mentioned above is in fact the pressure control on the pump and not an on/off valve as suggested by myself.

I will have to try and obtain a MUT II reader. I am trying to work blind without it. Cannot get evoscan to read or work with this car.
Found workshop manual for FQ9 Engine.



JC

[JCostelo]

Hello,
I located a high pressure pump on ebay and was hopeing if someone here could tell me if it is an OK replacement for the pump on my car.
The name plate of both pumps are shown at link. The upper plate is the pump that is for sale.
What the important numbers can anyone tell me.

http://i045.radikal.ru/0810/fc/3f4ebc64e268.jpg

TIA,
JC

[JCostello]

Hello,

Took caR to dealer who was not too sure what the problem was. They replaced the hand pump (the rubber yoke beside the fuel filter for squeezing for to prime the system). They said it was cracked at top.

After repair the car did not always start on the first go even when warm.

Car was washed today and then would not start. It was not washed with high pressrue hose.
When the ignition is switched on a two beep signal is given by the car. Never heard this before.
The outside temperature display also flashes at 3 degrese C. (ie. the outside temperature). Perhaps it always flashed and I did not notice it.
All lights go out (engine, brakes and bag) as per normal before engine is cranked.
Battery is good. Heater (glow) plugs are getting power as shown by putting clamp meter on heater plug and watching meter flick.

Can anyone tell me what the two beep signal is about.

I have no driver manual for the car. Carisma DID. 2002
TIA,

JC.

[Surj]

The only time my car (2003 Di-D) makes the two beeps is when the temp (according to the display) is below 5c. I think it may be a warning of potentially dangerous conditions????

I don't have a manual either, so I can't be of anymore help.

[robc990]

Hi mate,
The two bleeps and the temp flashing at 3 degrees is a warning of hazardous driving conditions. It should also happen if the outside temp drops below 3 degres during a journey.
Regards
Rob

[JCostelo]

Thanks for that. The beeping was indeed the outside temperature being at 2C.

I got the car back from the main dealer. They found a bad connection going from the key reader to the ECU.

They had problems getting their ECU reader to program in a new key. There is some complication with the immobalizer.
Enyways I can use the two old keys that I had OK. Hopefully I will never loose them.

JC

[dryfjord]

Hello JC;
I just noticed that you said you had a manual for the F9Q engine? If so where did you get this from please?
I managed to get hold of the Peter Russek workshop manual, but it's fairly basic compared to a Haynes for example. It doesn't cover the later diesel engine, only the earlier F8.

Incidentally I guess most people will already know this, but isn't our engine based on the the Renault F-series that first appeared in about 1987-88 as the 1721cc petrol engine in the 9/11/21?!

The beeping also happens when you're on the last drop of fuel too!
Andrew

[JCostelo]

Hello,

When I said that I had a manual on the FQ9 engine, I was not completely correct. I have some info spread out in the following downloads. The supliments seem to contain most of the FQ9 info.
They are a split archive. Donwload all five, put into folder and extract the first one. The othere will get picked up in the extraction. You will need WinRar (free trial is OK).

cdxe96e1.part1.rar http://ifile.it/hm8uvqd
cdxe96e1.part2.rar http://ifile.it/faberzh
cdxe96e1.part3.rar http://ifile.it/f8r1eds
cdxe96e1.part4.rar http://ifile.it/9ntgkcm
cdxe96e1.part5.rar http://ifile.it/l6ipx1u



jc

[dryfjord]

Many thanks JC, will be useful no doubt!

[Eydfinn]

hi JC

good to hear they fixed your car:)

i have a Di-D to and was thinkin if it would be possible to get thoes file for the FQ9 engine.
I have been looking for it on the net.
i tried the link on the forum, but the files has expired.

[JCostello]

Will post the files again as soon as I get a chance.

The likes of this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mitsubishi-Carisma-W...=item20adcea672

may be useful and more up to date?

I have a leaking injector on the engine now. Black stuff is appearing around the injector. It is being forced out of the engine. You can hear a small leak sound (rush of gas I guess) each time compression comes on the cylindar. I will take out the injector and hope there is a Copper washer sealing the injector that I can heat to red (to soften it) and put the injector in again.
Any thoughts anyone.

JC

hi JC

good to hear they fixed your car:)

i have a Di-D to and was thinkin if it would be possible to get thoes file for the FQ9 engine.
I have been looking for it on the net.
i tried the link on the forum, but the files has expired.

[JCostello]

Hello Folks,

I reloaded the manual files that I have in the stickey message at the top of the forum. Hope they are of some use.

Cured leaking injector. It's not the fuel that was leaking but the compression BTW.
Removed injector. Removed Copper washer. There was lot's of black gunk that I had to scrap away and keep removed with a Hoover with a thin pipe connected to it (about 5mm). Filed Copper washer flat and heated it to red to soften it. Put back in the injector and tightened injector holding setscrew to 48 Newton Meters (I don't know what the proper torque should be, anyone here know?). All appears to be OK.
I have an FQ9 engine BTW.

JC