Pros Cons Price's Of The 2.0 Vs 2.4, What made you decide to buy the 2.4 over the 2.0? Options

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lol personally, i like to just customize things my own way. Watching things increase and learn about the car. Id rather do that than "just buy an evo" anyway. I think super cars are stupid. Gas guzzling, "race cars for the street" where u cant race. Super high insurance, rediculiously priced. Id rather see some1 put a hiyabusa engine in a smart car and ruin lambo's in drags, Or watch some1 customize a supra up to 1400HP. I mean thats the stuff people look at. Not the stock Ferrari. Nothing fun about it. And where i live, if u drive a super car, your an ass. Plain as that. And i dident mean to make a big debate on the 2.0 vs the 2.4, But i can understand where some of you are coming from. Thanks for the input

[SimmoES]

There you go SimmoES, exactly all the points I was trying to make. I didn't feel like arguing, so I didn't even bother in my last response. You know and I know what were laying down and that's the ability to blow a factory fast, overpriced, expensive cars doors off for A LOT less money.

I got your back man.. i wasnt trying to argue either, just explaining my point of view (which you and happen to agree on). To each their own as always has been and will be.

[NY-09GTS]

I got your back man.. i wasnt trying to argue either, just explaining my point of view (which you and happen to agree on). To each their own as always has been and will be.

Cool, man I know your a big build it don't buy it guy. And honestly you're advice in this forum has really helped me out. Like I said before my background is in muscle cars, I am much more comfortable with 4 barrel carbs than turbo's. When I switched to this whole tuner thing I saw these companies coming out with these kits and I thought that's kinda cool, they did all the work for me, but the more I read your posts and started to do my research I realized that import tuners aren't much different in the sense that building your own import tuner is no different than building your muscle car. DIY as much as possible and if you don't have the equipment to diy, find a friend or a good shop to help you out.

[SimmoES]

You're right. DIY is DIY (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) the only difference is tuning. Muscle cars didnt require as much tuning as turbocharged tuners do. With imports, its ALL about a good tune. You can run 25psi with bad tune and not get half the horsepower as you could with a good tune. And thats one department where I lack good experience. I know the fundamentals of tuning, but put me in front of a dyno tune software and i wouldnt know where to start. Thats one thing I dont want to experiment with, you can be off by a few numbers and easily blow the engine.

[KrUsHeR]

^ I respect your opinion, even if it is wrong, haha, kiddin.
No really though we all have our own opinions and that's what makes the world go round. If we all thought the same way, we'd all have the same cars and that would be lame.

The only point I'll comment on is #7. I didn't say FWD was superior, but I did state my point wrong. What I meant was FWD is the most efficient way to get the power from the engine to the wheels. Less moving parts equals more efficiency. The percentage of power loss from the engine to the wheels is far less in front wheel drive vehicles. In RWD there are more parts in the chain that are needed to drive the wheels and awd same thing, plus your driving 4 wheels, compared to one or two in the other scenarios, that equals the potential for a higher percentage of power loss. If you've ever looked at my dyno posted (sticky) in this forum, you'll see I only lost 10.2 hp and 3.5 ft/lbs torque from the engine to the wheels. That's like a 6-7% loss. That's extremely efficient. When I did a dyno on my mustang when it was stock I lost 35hp from the engine to the wheels. That's a 15-16% loss and AWD typically has a higher percentage loss. But also note that just because the % loss from the engine to the wheels can be greater in rwd or awd that doesn't necessary equate to a slower car for the reasons you mentioned, weight distribution, traction, etc.

Ya I read most efficient way to put power to the ground, and FWD is definately not the best for that. Power to the wheels, less moving parts is always better.

Thanks for clarifying.

And from my experience weight distribution is a big thing. Put two cars w/ same 5 speed, same hp and torque, curb weight, beside each other and see which one accelarates faster... It would be the RWD over the FWD. Also it all depends on the driver!!! LOL Gotta have a good drive!! LOL

[KrUsHeR]

and last but not least - it feels soooooo good to whoop a$$ in a sleeper car than in expensive fast one. You pull up to red light in an evo, chances are people wont rev their cars at you.. When i used to pull up in my hyundai elantra, there were revs going on from miles away lol - followed by "WTF is under the hood" - at the next light (IMG:style_emoticons/default/trophy.gif)

I agree!!! It is a lot of fun. The one thing I regret doing to my truck is replacing the cam. When people roled up to my rusted out S10, they already kind of knew what was in store just by the sounds of the engine... But driving that sleeper was the best!!

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Lol. Yeah i hear ya NY, I used to have a 1978 Chrysler cordoba(basically a lighter toned version of the Charger), but i dropped a 400 big block and a holley 4bbl carb and exhaust, cregars. It was nice, ill find a pic maybe lol

[NY-09GTS]

You're right. DIY is DIY (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) the only difference is tuning. Muscle cars didnt require as much tuning as turbocharged tuners do. With imports, its ALL about a good tune. You can run 25psi with bad tune and not get half the horsepower as you could with a good tune. And thats one department where I lack good experience. I know the fundamentals of tuning, but put me in front of a dyno tune software and i wouldnt know where to start. Thats one thing I dont want to experiment with, you can be off by a few numbers and easily blow the engine.

Ya my mustang was speed density, no mass air sensor. The speed density was quicker than the mass air version, but not very tunable at all. All us speed density guys, just added our parts and ran with it, lol.

Lol. Yeah i hear ya NY, I used to have a 1978 Chrysler cordoba(basically a lighter toned version of the Charger), but i dropped a 400 big block and a holley 4bbl carb and exhaust, cregars. It was nice, ill find a pic maybe lol

Nice. I was always a big mustang guy. My parents had a 69 fastback and a 71 mach1. I had a 87 mustang gt 5.0. I also had an early 80's camaro, a 70 chevelle, and an 89 dodge daytona, not that the daytona was a muscle car, but I was always a fan of mopar too and of course the hemi. I had my 87 stang for 12 years. I miss it, sold it to buy the lancer, 12mpg wasn't working anymore for me, lol.

[SimmoES]

Just want to point out that Krusher's avatar is really turning me on...