I would like to know what you guys think of that Tornado full saver that they advertised on TV.
That is if you saw the add on TV?
They say it can give you a increase of 10hp to the wheel?
It is a little propeller that goes in your air-hose that is supposed the mix the full and air.

Let me know what you guys think if you've seen the add.

this is the same thing as the turbonator. they both are crap and a waste of money.

Can I ask you why you think there crap and a waste of money???

the first part is that it is a lie. they say that the "swirling of the air" causes some great effect that give you power. it is a lie. The swirling of air does nothing for a fuel injected engine. Now, this would be a great addition if you had a carburated engine.

the mulitport fuel injected engine will not benefit from this.

to learn about the fuel injected engine.... http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-injection.htm

i am going to try to explain this. this is for a multiport fuel injected engine.

when you step on the gas, the throttle body plate opens, allowing air to flow into the engine. at about the same time, the intake valves on the cylinders will raise to allow the air to flow into the cylinder. this is when the fuel injector will spray the fuel to mix with the air. once they are mixed, the spark plug will fire causing the explosion of the air and fuel which cause the engine to make power.

now, why doesn't this thing work? it is spinning air as it goes into the engine. once the intake valve opens, the air isn't going to be spinning anymore. so the air goes into cylinder the exact same way, therefore creating no extra HP.

now in carburated engines, the air and fuel were mixed before they went into the cylinder. this is where this thingy would help out.

research the modern engine and learn about it. it will save you from making stupid purchases.

this stupid "mod" is nothing but a gimmick for people who know nothing about engines and want some cheap **** part to put on their car.

A less in fluid dynamics.

When the air enters your airbox, through the MAF (mass air flow sensor), through the throttle body, and into the intake manifold, the airflow is called "laminar" or smooth airflow.

What the turbinator does is create "turbulant" airflow. The "spinng air" is turbulant airflow.

However, this "spinning air" theory doesn't work for a FI car, because the turbulant airflow becomes laminar after it enters the intake manifold.

Also, I don't see a return policy on their website. It could be the same return policy as a K&N air intake. Their policy demands that you have dyno results to prove that it didn't improve HP on your car.

Just my two cents.

****....all my typing to say exactly that. :clap:

Are you saying you doin't like the k&n intake eather?

****, i didn't know the K&N filter gave HP gains.

I didn't eather?

Well, K&N claims that all of their intakes are dyno tested. The Lancer 2.0 engine gains 4-5 HP. This is a HP gain, but you won't feel it.

Moving air is part of gaining horsepower. If you combined an air intake with Headers and an exhaust you would feel more HP gains than the intake alone. But, nothing will beat a turbo.

Then why do it if you don't gain HP?

5 HP is 5 HP. Combining it with an exhaust system and maybe headers, will give slight HP gains. I'm not going to put lots of money into a car like the Lancer ES. It's like gold plating a turd (as i've heard on this forum).

If you want serious HP gains on a Lancer it's going to cost about $8,000 (roughly). Engine rebuild (new rods, pistons, and head gasket), turbo kit, LSD, clutch, engine mounts, brakes, suspension, and whatever else your heart desires.

oh, i was thinking about their drop in filter...not their CAI.

Actually, if you want to get technical, it's the short-ram intake. K&N doesn't make a CAI for the Lancer.

My Jeep has the K&N FIPK (fuel injection performance kit), this is a CAI. The intake is made from plastic (less thermal conduction) and there is a shroud that shields the air filter from engine heat, thus allowing colder air to get sucked into the engine.

AEM makes a CAI which sucks the air from the front, bottom end of the car furthest away from the engine.

Lancer? we are talking about the 3G eclipse here.

Actually, we started out talking about the Tornado Fuel Saver.

K&N makes two intakes for the 3G Eclipse. The Typhoon (CAI for V6, short ram for I4) and the FIPK (V6 only, short ram).

K&N claims the following HP gains.

FIPK, V6, 5.3 HP
Typhoon, V6, 6.57 HP
Typhoon, I4, 5.9 HP