My Outlander came with Yokohama all season tires (225/60/R16). I would like to buy winter tires, my question is: Do I need to buy only this size or Can I put another type (size) on my Outlander? Thanks!

On the standard 16 rim u can buy alot of different wintertyres... At a normal price. Expensive wintertyres come with 17 rims.. U can reduce the 225 for better contact with the road if it is waterfilled snow ... Rallycars dont hawe wide (fat) tyres.. I hawe 17 rims as standard on my turbo but i bought 16 rims to my wintertyres.. I hawe michelin Xice without spikes and with 200 hp it was only on verry polisched ice the weels started to spin.. ok.. on first gear nothing helps but second and third i could use full trottle anytime.... Whit abs brakes it works just fine, but when its raining at freezing temp nothing really helps... Up north in sweden tyres without spikes works fine due to the fact that moast people hawe spikes and they makes the road rough so my wintertyres get plenty of contact.. S-M marked tyres like the yokohama means sand and mud.. Not snow and mud...haha!! So i don't think u hawe all season tyres at all... The testwinner here in sweden is finnisch hakapelitta tyres.. They are made for winter's like we hawe here up north in sweden.. But my michelin works fine too....

the size is not 215/60R16 ? The Outlander Turbo size is 215/55R17.
In turbo topic is read about winter tyres and rims. I think Good Year GW3 and Dunlop Winter Sport 3d or M3 is very great .

And what do u mean with that Turbomitsu?? If someone from Canada tells me he has 225/60/R16 i belive it's true. A well known fact is that USA and Canada dont have the outlander turbo.And sometimes someone buy's a used car and the last owner might hawe uppgraded the tyres. I allso know what tyres my own car has... And i allso knowe what dimention i bought for my winter tyres....
215-225 looks nice on wintertyres but its not good to have fat tyres in snow or mud.. The best traction in those conditions is a tyres that reaches down and presses out all mud instead of going on top... I hawe 215 on my wintertyres but if it's weat heavy snow my car will surf on top at high speed..But i can live with that.. Dunlop wintertyres does not exist here up north in sweden...hahaha And belive it or not but ewen in Sweden its a great differens between nort and south..
But i will look at the (turbo topic is read about winter tyres and rims.) But i dont think we upnort in sweden will listen to much on any advises from carowners in the south...

I cant find that topic aboute wintertyres and rims..... Where is it??

I said only the factory size is 215/60R16 or 215/55R17 . But every two is an **** size I think.
I wrote only my experience in post #297 ( Outlander Turbo 2005 topic ) .
And I never said so your Michelin tyres are bad, I said only the Good Year and Dunlop is very great too, one of the best that sure. It is a forum and I think it is helpful If i say my experience ;-)

Haha!! Turbomitsu. Today the yearly wintertiretest come... And from 8 different NO SPIKES tyres Good Year and Dunlop is at last place... Continental and Finlands Nokian where testwinners.. This test is done in Finland in Ivalo and is done in real wintercondition... I dont think Dunlop have any spikes at all in any tyres,because i cant find them in the test with spikes... I hawe newer seen dunlop wintertyres here up north in sweden. Moastly at motorcycles.and verry few cars.. But anyhow, the conditions up north is different than down in the south and a tyre made for really cold weather will wear out faster in higher temp.. So exacktly what kind of wintertyre anyone need is allmoast a lokal matter.. And a 5-7 year old newer used wintertyre is not close to it's maximum traction comparing to when its brand new..

Stig Helmer,
i could not understand if you are serious or just kidding. but if you are serious; These symbols or marks whatever you say are international and you can look the web site http://www.nokiantyres.com/faq_en#Sidewall%20markings to learn what is the meaning of M S .


How does one distinguish studless winter tyres from summer tyres?
Winter tyres have the M S (MS, M&S or Mud&Snow) marking on the sidewall


and from The Yokohama web page
Mud and Snow Labeling
If a tire is rated for safe performance in mud and snow, it will be noted on the sidewall of the tire with either M/S, M+S or M&S.

http://www.yokohamatire.com/ututqg.asp

DUNLOP web page http://www.dunloptires.com/care/tech.html
ALL-SEASON DESIGNATION
This is a marking which means that the tire meets M&S/M+S requirements without the drawbacks of noise and rolling resistance associated with the traditional deep-lug winter tires. The M&S/M+S designation means that the tire is suitable for normal all-weather driving applications. Tires that meet the requirements of the M& S designation have better winter traction compared to those without the M&S symbol.


WERE YOU SERIOUS?? ;) ;)

Where did u read this test ? in every Eu test Pirelli, good year, Dunlop was the winner in the preium cat. Nokian was good too, but not the best. I read this.
And my experience with Gy and Dunlop is great too. ( i had no any Pirelli) .
In Eu test, they trying the tyres on dry, wet, and snow surfaces.

CAY..and turbomitsu..One question came from Canada aboute wintertyres... Somewhere in canada i must say.. Because i dont know from where in Canada. Canada is quite big, and some places hawe a real winter like we have upnorth in sweden.. Tyres is a lokal matter and therefor i did not specify any tyres but told him/she some aboute mine wintertyres..Having fat 225 wintertyres is compleatly foolisch. 225 wintertyres is ok if u drive a 2,5 tons cadillac 59 in winterconditions. But on a outlander it will be useless..
M S marked tyres means that u need mud and sand on the snow to get any traction.. And if u want to drive in mud or sand u need ice just under the surface to prevent u from sinking too deep...
Since the question was aboute tyres marked winter i asume that the one asking lives where snow is a daily matter, for one season. M S marked tyres is a produkt that really fansy's the new car industry.. Same tyres on all cars all year around and ower the world....And i can promise that it does not end outside Turkey or Hungary.... Anyhow..They are not good for anything.. In the summer they sqeek in corners and when its cold and snow they work like a summertyre.. In December last year i drowe my new used outy for 1200 km on my 5500km standard SM yokohama, because i bought it way south, and just wanted to get it home.. First 500 km it was snow and + C and then some 300km was frosen snow and ice and the last 400km was new snow with frosen track's from earlyer +C degrees.. And MS marked yokohama has nothing in the snow and ice to do... To start a 4wd and get going is no problem with MS or Summer tyres but when it comes to stop the car u need a airfield to stop from 140 km/h..If u ewen dare to drive that fast in the snow!? I would call it stupid to try with summer or M S marked tyres.... So to u'r question about if i was joking the answer is NO!!! Truth is that MS marked tyres needs mud and sand to work in the snow.. Anything else is foolisch to say... By the way..In sweden a tyre marked WINTER is needed by law to drive after 1 of December... 3mm is minimum tread depth..Summertyres and MS marked tyres needs 1,5 mm in the summertime... MS marked tyres are not alowed during the winter on personal cars and minivans at all here in sweden.Thanks god!! .. And there is a good reason for that... M S tyres has nothing in the snow to do... And anyone that beliwes that its safe to drive with M S in the snow are just F U C K E D by the car industy...
And the question witch started this topic asked for WINTER tyres.. And did not ask for the orginal zize on a turbocar... And absolutely not a word aboute any new MS tyres.....
Aboute the tyretest !!! WINTERTYRES and maximum speed for a good wintertyre is 160km/h or less. I knowe that german has alot of tyres made for autobahn but those tyres is real **** here upnorht in sweden.. No 200km wintertyre works down to - 10 to -30 C And maximum speed is only 110 in Sweden...haha
When my MS yokohama dies i will buy a Summertyre without MS on the sidewall... Belive it or not!!??

So am i joking? Noope... Iam really dropdead serious...

Check out tirerack.com they have test results,and people just like you,saying what they felt about the tire and how good/bad it is

i dont understand what you mean while telling mud sand etc. i just know that MS means MUD and SNOW .i have started to use MS tyres since 1984.
But on the other hand you are right from some opinions. From my opinion i will look how it works when it snows and i will decide to buy Dunlop Winter Sport tyre and i am thinking to buy Summer Performance tyres in spring instead of Yokohoma MS.

i oppose that you have said mud sand . Not sand it means Snow . At least i know like that and if you have looked the web pages there was written SNOW also. And one more thing if there was written wrong dont worry Americans know to get damages from companies so i dont think that there would be a mistake.
Too much talk about winter tyres. :offtopic: for me as this is no end i will say SNOW you will say SAND.

For god sakes its SNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!no more posting

U are totaly right CAY when writing Mud and Snow for MS.... And iam totaly right when i write that u must put sand and mud on the snow to get any traction on the snow with SM marked tyres... SM yokohama is teribble if its snow on the road... They are no better than ordinary summertyres..And below -10C they are like wheels under a officechair.... MS tyres are not wintertyres!!!
If u belives that u can use MS tyres with safety in snow, i can only say that u are one of many that are fooled by the car industry... But if u newer get snow where u live it's ok to use MS tyres... But why use a noicy MS when there are quiet really good summertyres?
But anyhow it is nice to hear that the topic is closed ewen if i still wonder what Americans has to do with this topic...

1st up go USA second b/c you are arguing about something really really stupid.Its not that big of a deal.leave it alone

Kylewr86...Ahha!!! haha!! Now i undrestand why CAY talks aboute Americans.. I did not check where u came from... The big deal is just that people THINK they hawe wintertyres when they buy a M S tyre.. When the truth is that they are no better than summertyres in the Mud and Snow.. I get some 6 months of winter and i dont knowe anyone that buys new S M tyres when the original is worn out.. And as i wrote beffore they are not leagal to use after 1 Dec.. But this winter came early and today its totally winter outside.. And it's those that still havent changed tyres that causes problems.. Upnorth in sweden it has allways been summer and wintertyres..But down south people thought they where safe on S M tyres and alot of troubble came with that... Therefor the quite new Swedish law aboute wintertyres during winter...As long as i can remember stud's (spikes) hawe been forbidden to use in the summer due to the fakt that they eat the roads heavily.. A tyre is a werry lokal question.. But the M S tyres is only a product that mitsu,toyota and other companies love's to use because it's big money in the car industry to change anything in the process of making car's.. Volvo and Scania sells trucks with wooden tyres to some countryes.. Just enough to get them out of the factory and to the buyer... haha!!

Its peanut butter jelly time! :banana: :banana:

*sniff sniff* I get the smell of someone thats makes some money on crasched cars, And really likes to cheat on peoples stupidity!!! If its ok to make people think that they got a good deal and safely can take the children to scool ewen if its snowing then its not peanuts...

Thanks everybody for your comments and opinions, however, I must say that I'm more confused now, I really need "winter tires" only, no mud or sand tires...so far I don't know exactly what type of tires my Outlander has from factory I just know that they are Yokohama 225/60/R16 but I don't know for sure that they are all season, I will call the dealer tomorrow to find out exactly what is real situation of my tires.

Thanks all !!!!

A bit late post now in April 07, but this topic will be re-read next winter season, I assume...

As I know, the M/S, M+S or M&S means MUD & SNOW, so I agree with Cay.
Even if my knowledge would be a "learned" by talking people arround, I can not understand the Stig-helmers opinion, that when using M+S tyres, they are useless unless you got mud or/and sand on the snow, because, as Stig said, you get no traction. One simple question, kind of "peasants thinking" we say in my country:

If you'd be a tyres manufacturer, why the hell would you produce tyres, that are good only on snow covered/mixed with sand and/or mud ?!??? Which customer could have need for such tyre? Which customer would be facing for reasonable amount of time these surface conditions ?!?

The last thing about M+S marking: long time ago, only real hard-conditions tyres were marked with this label. For off-road use. Today, every 3rd or every 2nd tyre is M+S labeled. Isn't it just stupid marketing to aquire customer? Therefore I agree with Stig-helmer: there is plenty of M+S tyres, which are low performance on snow and useless on ice. I find the factory Yokohama Geolandar G035 not good for most general use. It is too "toothlike" for dry asphalt road in summer, low grip, and without lamellas poor for braking on ice or even on snow. That was wrong manufactirer's choice, I think. I think this tyre is exactly what Stig said - all season, but for no season at the same time. However, I will use them till the end as summer tyres.