My brother has offcially shuned me from his crew(lol) becuase i got rid of my CRX and bought a 95talon (non-turbo) becuase it has the 420a in it he is pissed."you could have bought a stock honda faster then that" he tells me constantly or "you could build and turbo that thing and you wont get much out of it"where did this honda boy hate for the 420a start....anyone know????? i mean im sure a 16g or 20g would be something worth my time????

I realize you used to have a honda, so you won't like my list but first. I agree, I hate the 420a too, but I have a 4g63, that's why.

These are your best arguments against him, this is why your car is better:
1. Honda has no HP
2. Honda has no TQ
3. Honda has never made a car faster than mitsubishi, not even the NSX
4. You will get more out of a turbo than he ever could have
5. I know all of this for a fact cause I destroyed my brother-in-laws 2000 Civic SI turbo in my bone stock 1991 GST(when it was still running).
6. Honda cost at least twice as much for the same Hp with less Tq
7. Engine swaps are for honda and acura owners.
8. We can build our cars with very small modifications, whereas a honda owner has to drop compression severly and get extra electronics to do so.

Oh, and the reason he kicked you out of the club is because talon and eclipse are chick magnets. Hondas are dude magnets. There is nothing worse than having a sausage-fest in your car. And because your new car is faster and will make his look bad. And because your car is sexier in general. Hondas are ugly except the RSX and NSX... and that technically isn't a honda.

lol!!!idk about faster his car is fast a LS hatchback and its not as heavy as mine...and your right honda's can be dude magnets..idk i know to ppl with turbo eclipses and they dont make to much but then agian they got thier stuff done by a shop....although one of them was completely done by hahn but doing it yourself is the only way you'll ever get attached to your car

the hatred of the 420a stems from jealousy.

1) it has a lower failure rate (stock and modded)
2) it is easier to make power with when turbo'd
3) it is a sleeper because people think it can't make power
4) it is cheaper to build more power with
5) it is EXTREMELY easy to work on
6) it is VERY reliable after heavy mods
7) neither the honda 2.0L nor the 4g63 2.0L can match its cylinder bore size, even after machining.
8) it was supposed to be the little brother of the gs-t and gsx but ended up taking over (big brothers hate that for people who don't have brothers)
9) it can use parts from a greater range of donor vehicles with the same engine(avenger, sebring, talon, neon, stratus)
10) it's just better :P

I've built 420a and 4g63 many times over. I would rather build a 420a engine any day of the week compared to a 4g63. honda, I won't even touch. too many mods to make too little power. the only advantage they have is that their cars are lighter. But like bob said, I would rather have a heavy chick magnet than a light dude magnet

im glad this forum exists cuz i thought i was DOOMED if i didnt buy the all wheel drive TSI,but after i read some of the posts i see its possible to work with my motor

You can do a bunch to that engine, and it can take some abuse. Even though I hate the 420a, there is alot you can do to it. And think about it, your brother could spend about $5000 to turbo his FWD car(sausage magnet), whereas you could spend about the same and turn your car into an AWD turbo. It has been done quite a few times.

I have never lost to a civic, and I don't intend to. If they start modding up their cars, I can get my car going just as fast stock. And if I can't win stock, I can put about half of the money into my car to get the same power.

speaking of turbos,is it safe to have a 20G in your car with stock internals?Also completly un realted..well kinda is im tired of ppl starting crews and only having one or two makes your allowed to have so i have decided to start my own with my friends consisting of jeff(mustang) joe (s-10&200sx se-r) jonas (integra) brennen(tc) and chris(stb camero).....starting certain make crews just creates drama so...**** conformity :thumbsup: lol....random....

20g? yes with a 4g63 engine but only with proper fuel mods, no with a 420a engine.

speaking of descriminatory "crews" our race team consists of (track times):

1988 camaro z28 (mullet mobile, 12.20 )
1967 Corvette 327 (MY FAVORITE!, 12.54)
1955 Chevrolet with a 500 dropped in (you experienced motor heads know :grin: )
2005 Neon srt4 (10.90)
1997 talon AWD(heavily modded, 9.23)
1989 talon AWD(mildly modded, 12.56)
1998 eclipse RWD pro outlaw(6.97)
1999 eclipse pro modified(8.92)
2005 Subaru WRX(14.02)
2005 Subaru STI(11.23)
1992 Honda civic (hes a good guy though,,, we only let him race brackets, 14.34)
Off Road:
2006 Honda CRF250R
2006 Honda CRF450R
2003 Suzuki RMZ 450
2005 KTM 525
2005 Yamaha YZF 450
2007 Honda TRX 450R

Sorry guys Honda rules the dirt

we race more than just 4 wheels, anyone that has a fast ANYTHING and a small ego can join. well, it really isnt' a club, just a bunch of friends with fast whatevers :banana:

I like evrything but the SRT-4...i cant stand neons...idk y..i think its becuase when i went to N.C to visit a VW friend of mine he had a friend there named buddy who would just not STFU about how easy it is to make a neon fast and how much my CRX sucked compared to his neon...blah blah neon this neon that...i disliked neons before i met him but he just sent me over the edge. eventually i knocked him out with my talon and my friend was like :clap: and was like :gunsmilie: bawls...lol

Neons are bi+ch cars...I mean come on...there introduction campain was the front of the car and it said "hi"! WTF? and SRT-4 or not...its a effin neon!
As for the honda...two words...Napoleon Complex. They are small econo cars and they just want an excuse to try to run with the normal guys. They are like Chihuahuas...small and loud, but cant hold up in a fight! LOL All these little shi+s (no offense to your brother) think they are the greatest things in the world. They see one that was fast and assume that no matter what mod they do it will make them faster. What they fail to realize, like the other guys said, is the amount of money put into those cars to make them fast! The money some of these guys spent, they could have bought a nice car with decent hp to begin with. They are retarded in the head. Agreed...honduhs have no power less torque than pretty much anything on the road, and sound loud but go no where! I have a bas+ard child engine too and when my tranny swap is done, I am sure...stock...I will be walkin civics all day...before I boost! So be happy with your 420a and keep kickin the crap outta the ricers!

I guess you didn't know that Honda is the one who change how super cars are made now. Even the 3000GT cant touch the NSX. what do you mean that the RSX and NSX is not Honda..... is it because it is under Acura??? little that you know that Honda owns Acura.




I'm sorry but the 420A is pretty much in the same place as those honda's. I mean if you want to do the same thing as the 4G63 (new or old). it is going to a bit of a work for you. even stock on stock who have who beat.

In drag racing the DSM have the honda guys beat and by which engine they are using..... thats right the 4G63.

Honda for the public is all ecobox with no power and the only sport car that are still around are the civic SI, S2000 and fit (don't know about that one). In the racing world of Honda they are everywhere: Champ cars, American Le mans, F1, Airplane engine.

As for Mitsubishi they are dying slowly, the only thing that are keeping them alive is the Evolution. Ever wonder why they pull out of WRC???? because they are dying and need to save money.

Have you ever looked at stock times in NSX vs. 3kgt. The VR-4 only loses by .1 in a quarter. Plus, the years in which they had AWD and AWS, they totally destroyed the NSX then too. Think about it, the NSX weighs nearly the same, has a POS vtech, and had nowhere near the torque necessary to beat the 3kgt.

Now then, I have seen some people who can mod their 420a very, VERY lightly, and be able to get the same hp as a civic. I hate the 420a, but it is very comparable to the 4g63. The 420a can beat a civic just a easily as a 4g63.

About the racing world... have you ever heard of Ferrari? They are still the dominators.

Mitsubishi isn't dying, just because they are in debt doesn't mean they are dying. Last I checked the U.S. is about 8 trillion dollars in debt... it's still alive and well, is it not? And let me ask you. Who supplies the turbo's for porsche, bmw, ferrari, and dodge? The answer is Mitsubishi.

The Eclipse, the Lancer, and the Montero are all doing quite well, and you better believe that as soon as toyota comes about with their new supra, mitsu and nissan will be right behind with a new 3kgt and 300z.

Maybe Mitsu will get wise and redesign this thing they are trying to pass of as an eclipse...i mean WHAT WERE THEY THINKING.they took an eclipse and gave it an eating disorder.....

Yup, they just keep getting heavier.

My friend (whos a mustang head) said i should just fab the crap out of my front end and put a 5.0(4.94 lol) in my car..... :laughing:Has anyone seen the project where they took a mustng and put a R32 front end on it?

You mea