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 Jul 7 2007, 08:58 PM
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Time for a system.... in my old car (94 dodge stealth) i had a cheap system....2 12" dual subs with a 800 watt max amp from Lanzar.... and some cheap wiring kit.... And speakers from dual for my front and 6x9's, Dual headunit, then got a sony Xplod HU Looking to do things right this time lol, but im still kinda new to this.... already purchased a 12" Kicker L7 Online today..... i got it because ive been in my friends truck with one, and wow it sounded amazing, very clear, deep bass... im gunna stay with my Song HU (just for now!!!! lol) So for my questions whats a good amp wiring kit, i know there not all the same because of the gauges and stuff? AMPs now this is were i get lost, whats all the difference between a regular amp and a Class D Mono, and for amps u guys think brands really make a big differnce? I was thinking about going with lanzar again maybe this one Lanzar Vibeor this MTX MTX AmpAlso plan on getting Kicker 6x9s later.... but do you think tose amps will be enough to power 1 12" kicker L7? thanks for the help in advance guys :beer:
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Jul 7 2007, 09:37 PM
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Well, not to be too blunt, but your selection sucks.
Kicker is one of the single worst brands for car audio out there. Lanzar is a no-name, cheap company that has a lot of crap products, mtx is way overpriced, sony is REAL bad, and did I mention that kicker sucks?
Your best bet is to go to www.sonicelectronix.com, they have really good stuff for really low prices. I have my own little business and shop with them all the time.
As for a good wiring kit, the best are made by Rockford Fosgate. The best subwoofer amps are made by Audiobahn, the best speaker amps are made by Eclipse. The best subwoofers are either JL Audio or Pioneer Premier, you might even throw Boston Accoustics into that mix. The best speakers are by far Blaupunkt. The best Head Unit has to be either Alpine or Eclipse. All of these are best as in best for your money.
These are all my personal professional opinions, pick through them as you may, but please, cancel the order on the kicker, it is one of the biggest wastes of money you will ever do.
Think about it. A sound wave is a perfect circle, one of the very few things that can actually be a perfect circle. By having a square woofer, you are having to work that sub harder to produce the same quality sound, because you are converting a square object into a circular one. Hence why they are about 750RMS, vs. a Pioneer Premier that does 350RMS with the same loudness, clearness, and quality. Now then, go spend the same amount on a Premier as you did on that Kicker, you will get a competition woofer that will be at least 10 times better.
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Jul 19 2007, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(bobthecow @ Jul 7 2007, 09:37 PM) Well, not to be too blunt, but your selection sucks.
Kicker is one of the single worst brands for car audio out there. Lanzar is a no-name, cheap company that has a lot of crap products, mtx is way overpriced, sony is REAL bad, and did I mention that kicker sucks?
Your best bet is to go to www.sonicelectronix.com, they have really good stuff for really low prices. I have my own little business and shop with them all the time.
As for a good wiring kit, the best are made by Rockford Fosgate. The best subwoofer amps are made by Audiobahn, the best speaker amps are made by Eclipse. The best subwoofers are either JL Audio or Pioneer Premier, you might even throw Boston Accoustics into that mix. The best speakers are by far Blaupunkt. The best Head Unit has to be either Alpine or Eclipse. All of these are best as in best for your money.
These are all my personal professional opinions, pick through them as you may, but please, cancel the order on the kicker, it is one of the biggest wastes of money you will ever do.
Think about it. A sound wave is a perfect circle, one of the very few things that can actually be a perfect circle. By having a square woofer, you are having to work that sub harder to produce the same quality sound, because you are converting a square object into a circular one. Hence why they are about 750RMS, vs. a Pioneer Premier that does 350RMS with the same loudness, clearness, and quality. Now then, go spend the same amount on a Premier as you did on that Kicker, you will get a competition woofer that will be at least 10 times better.
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man WTF to every thing you said your post, all these best. Dude come on. Audiobahn best sub amp wtf? So you would take and audiobahn over an audioson(sp?) or brax or helix. Jl best sub woofers or pioneer premier? at least pioneer ODR step it up man, the brand you listed are mid range at best. jl is nothin by high mid range. To OG poster get an l7 put 1000-1200rms to it and be happy. Kicker is a legit company. And dont give me the sound wave bs ive heard it many of times. It doesnt matter it more of an spl sub anyway, not to mention they have won quite a few sq trophys. And please never say audiobahn best at ANYTHING. The companys fuckin sucks balls, with there chrome high school show off amps.
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Jul 21 2007, 12:05 AM
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better than kicker could ever dream of being. "Kicker Comp," thats false advertising. Kicker has never won a competition with any of their equipment. They have won awards, but so has every audio company. JL, audiobahn, pioneer, kenwood, mtx.... those companies win competitions. Kicker blows, literally.
I would take audiobahn over helix any day. That is a crap brand, a no-name, as is brax.
I am a professional at this, I have been doing it since I was 13, I am now 20. Im just giving my personal, professional opinion.
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Jul 26 2007, 06:23 PM
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I have two 12' Kicker Comps with a MDX 1200 watt amp, and it is enough for me right now. I plan on upgrading to Solo Baric L7's when my pocketbook can catch up to my imagination.
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Jul 26 2007, 08:00 PM
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Just for the record, coming from someone who went to college and studied Physics for many years (As did the Engineers at Kicker), Sound waves are not perfect circles. They are linear (straight forward and backward) compression of the air. They may disperse and radiate radially, but they are compression/decompression of the air.
Basically, the speaker is pushing a mass of air in front of it, it really doesn't matter as much what the is shaped like (As if it had a shape LOL) as how MUCH air is moved and at what frequency.
As for brands, we all have brands we like, and ones we've had goo/bad expieriences with. I've had head units from Pioneer (Premier) and Kenwood (excelon) that were great, Components from JL (SR), MB Quart (Q Series), Focal (Utopia) and CDT that were stunning. JL (W6/W7) subs are great, as are CDT, Fosgate, etc if you pick the right version. Mcintosh Amps are probably the best ever... I still use old Fosgate DSM series amps that are impecably clean and powerful.
Just remember people, when someone gives you a few bucks to wire up a Head Unit it might give you the the dictionary definition of being a professional, it doesn't make you an expert, well versed, wise, or even give you good taste.
I suggest people do a fair amount of research on thier own before deciding to buy. You can find some really good deals if you look hard.
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Aug 2 2007, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(bobthecow @ Jul 21 2007, 12:05 AM) better than kicker could ever dream of being. "Kicker Comp," thats false advertising. Kicker has never won a competition with any of their equipment. They have won awards, but so has every audio company. JL, audiobahn, pioneer, kenwood, mtx.... those companies win competitions. Kicker blows, literally.
I would take audiobahn over helix any day. That is a crap brand, a no-name, as is brax.
I am a professional at this, I have been doing it since I was 13, I am now 20. Im just giving my personal, professional opinion.
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WHAAAAAAAAT?!?!?! brax and heliz no name brands? The audiophile gods shall smite you for the dumbest **** ive ever heard. Thats like saying dual makes teh best amps and head units ever. I dont care if you been doing this since your 13, it doesnt mean you know all the brands out there. You need to broaden your range, cus brax and helix are some of the best out there. And will on audiobling all day everyday
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Aug 2 2007, 07:57 PM
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"Audiobling" still has something on either of those companies called wins in the world of car audio.
Im sorry, but the top of the line brax amp is almost $3000. It is only capable of 450rms at 2ohm x2 channels. It's signal to noise is only 101db, and it is not fan cooled, it has only heatsincs. It is nearly 2 feet long, 1 foot wide, and 3 inches tall. That is old technology, something that needs replacing. Audiobahn, blaupunkt, and rockford all make amps that are smaller, have better power, have a cleaner signal, and cost a fraction of that price. Not to mention, people have actually heard of these brands, and know that they are winners.
Helix top of the line amp is nearly $1500. Its power is only 400rms at 2ohm x1 channel. Even weaker than the brax. Its signal to noise is only 100db, and it also is not fan cooled. It is about the same size as the brax amp, and again, is old technology that needs replacing.
Helix top of the line sub is nearly $300 for a 10". It's rms is only 300w, and it's sensitivity is a lame 89db. It's voice coil is tiny compared to those of the JL w6 and w7, and the rockford power series sub.
"Audiobling" has helix and brax beaten in every category. Price, power, signal, looks, size, and best of all, reliability. They warranty everything for life, and at a personal cost of ZERO.
It seems you are the one who needs to broaden your perspective, not me. Like I said, I know what I am talking about. You apparently do not. Do some research kiddo.
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Aug 21 2007, 03:43 PM
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I can only retort with this, have you experienced this so-called quality? Because in all my years, I have never seen anything good come out of most of the brands you named.
The only brand you named in that entire list that I have had good experiences with was phoenix. HOWEVER...
Phoenix gold is one of the best out there, right up there with Diamond Audio, Eclipse, and Rockford in my opinion. They probably actually are better than Rockford, but judging by what he originally planned to put in, it is way to expensive. Their lowline stuff is crap, and the highline is thousands of dollars.
Brax and Helix are crap when you look at the specs and the prices. $3000 for an amp that isn't even worth $500. Look at the specs, even the top of the line stuff they carry has a signal to noise that is worse than your average rockford power amp.
Most cars from 89 and above can carry a sound system from about 350-800RMS without much strain on the alternator. For every 500RMS though, it is recommended that you use a capacitor of 1 farad or greater. It is also a good idea to change the alternator out in an older vehicle to something larger if you plan on running a large system.
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Aug 21 2007, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE(bobthecow @ Aug 21 2007, 03:43 PM) I can only retort with this, have you experienced this so-called quality? Because in all my years, I have never seen anything good come out of most of the brands you named.
The only brand you named in that entire list that I have had good experiences with was phoenix. HOWEVER...
Phoenix gold is one of the best out there, right up there with Diamond Audio, Eclipse, and Rockford in my opinion. They probably actually are better than Rockford, but judging by what he originally planned to put in, it is way to expensive. Their lowline stuff is crap, and the highline is thousands of dollars.
Brax and Helix are crap when you look at the specs and the prices. $3000 for an amp that isn't even worth $500. Look at the specs, even the top of the line stuff they carry has a signal to noise that is worse than your average rockford power amp.
Most cars from 89 and above can carry a sound system from about 350-800RMS without much strain on the alternator. For every 500RMS though, it is recommended that you use a capacitor of 1 farad or greater. It is also a good idea to change the alternator out in an older vehicle to something larger if you plan on running a large system.
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yes i have had experience installing or owned almost all the brands ive listed and you have to be retarded to say brax is crap what is it with you and rockford . RF is not on the same level as PG. Most of RF to me is = sony. But you probably own them now and don't want to think that what you picked is crap
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