JRM seems very serious....heia sverige :beer:

ha en fin dag!

Yes, JRM seems very serios about it, I´m very excited.
skål norge, jag kör igenom där för lite skidåkning efter JRM :beer:

Hello!

Dynotest on std engine was done in Switzerland by Digitaltuning.ch and before any re-mapp this was one of the companies I contacted. Though they just raised the pressure to just above 0,9 (0,92 and short boost of more than 1,0 bar) and directly back to 0,9 bar. This slight tuning gives 235 Hp and 379 Nm.

Std engine runt 0,82 bar, short boost at 3500 rpm and back to 0,82.

Std ECU drains engine at end of RPM:s in fuel and lambda is 0,62 approx on std engine. Remember that is should be 0,8-0,9 when running as best.

After re-map engine is running lamda 0,86 in my car and pressure is 1,3 bar.

With 3 inch system and racecat + better cooling intercooler, filter, intake you gain a lot.

Digitaltuning measured std car and said it gave 223 Hp. Same is in Sweden when Automotorsport/Teknikens Värld tested the EVO 9. Factory says 285 Hp, measuring said 303 Hp.

My fist step was to rebuild the exhaust with straight downpipe under the car. With one racecat the pressure rises a lot in the turboboost. Though this will make the car cut since it presses out more than std-ecu allows, 1,1 bar max.

Also dynotests measure the Hp/Nm on the wheels. The engine is then more.

My car is so strong and of course I don´t know what it gives exactly. But build a straight 3 inch system, one full flow muffler, two if you wish more silent car and only one racecat. Rebuild or improve airintake, maybe better filter, IC-cooling fan or new Intercooler. With a re-map/tuning you have a really funny car.

I have had and driven many nice cars. Sometimes borrows and Evo 9 and it´s traction is of course much better than our cars. But anyhow that car doesn´t let all 4 wheel spin all the way on first gear, stops when shifting to second. This is impressive.

You can see this on my last video uploaded on youtube. This thogh a bad video since I over-rpm:ed the engine between the 1/2 gear and between 3/4, I started on a road and a car came from behind so I was afraid of cops :) So acc could have been better on last video, though here there the wheels are spinning all the way on first gear, all 4 wheels. To do this with 215 mm wide tires takes a lot.

I would estimate my engine gives approx 285-305 Hp and 390-420 Nm, due to how it´s running :)

TOJ

why do you talk about evo9 all the time when its a EVO 8 engine in this car?

Hello!

When searching for tuning during three years I had a lot of help of Mitsubishi factory drivers/tuners of WRC cars. Though they could´t reprogramme this engine which is as you say EVO 8 but many differencies.

Alla over the world I serached really actively for tuners that could have access to the ECU. The company working with the WRC cars helped me lot but you can´t compare Outlander with Evo 8/9 or above all not with the WRC engine which is something else.

Though they assisted as much the could. I was supposed to buy an EVO 9 but bought of family reason the Outlander in hope of quickly beeing able to tune the car. I spent tree years CHASING this tuning. Therefor I sometimes borrow an EVO 9 to drive for a day. What I mean is that these cars have a different traction system (ACD-system, etc). Also engine in the EVO 8 is something else.

I actuelly got over the complete sketches of the engine with all figues etc in order to see how we could lure out HP/Nm. Nothing really worked.

What you can see on these cars is that if you build a 3 inch downpipe + exhaust you gain a lot Hp/Nm. In my car in winter we measured on 4/5th gear up to 1,2 bar only with this.

Though if you gave throttle on 1-4 gear to fast the engine cut directly since std ecu never goes over 1,12 bar and does not give fuel etc according to this.

I never seen a car reacting som nicely with new exhaust + downpipe.

Digitaltuning claims + 35 Hp and approx 75 Nm extra with + 0,1-0,15 bar.

When tuning up to 1,3 bar and new system it´s a new car. The response is now more "like" an Evo car. CAN`T compare to std car.

That´s why I compare sometimes with EVO`s in terms of acc and engine, in terms of performance/driving you can´t compare. Also with slight tuning of EVO´s you have car running 0-100 km/h in low 4:s. Let´s say my car do it in mid 5:s approx.

Anyhow this is how the engine should be running, so nice in all way and spool-up/response is nice. The car is now really strong from 2300 rpm and whissles passing 3000 rpm.

With trailer behind the car reaching max weight 1500 kg it´s a dream.

Also about exhaust this car really gain a lot from that, much more than Audis, VW, Volvos or other Turbo cars. The reason to long to describe but is the same as older EVO´s (exhaust evac). The Outy has cat 10 cm from the turbo....and a big one under the car. This is really poor ventilation. The trick is to keep turbo from over-rpm:s.

Anyhow good luck with tuning and having a new car :)

I will have mine another ½ year. This summer the Evo X is out and it will be one of those or the new Ralliart (seacrh on google for Mitsu Ralliart 2009). It will have the EVO 9:s traction system according to technical crew Mitsubishi and "down-tuned engine". My kids are bigger so depedning on price tuning possiblities I will buy a new one.

TOJ

I tried everything with all of the Airtrek and Evo definitions files but it is not working with EcuFlash and it will never because I got info about the Outlander turbo is CAN-Bus, not K-line as the older Mitsu and the Airtrek. bad news :-S

TOJ 123 : Your Outlander flashed through the ODB connectors or had to take out the Ecu ?

For me the best Evo was the Evo 6 TME and the Evo IX :-) they are the fastest and with the best basic for tuning.

I drove Evo 8. the engine I can not compare because it was highly tuned motec etc..
the steering was much accurate and sporty it was the first impression for me, the car feel much lighter in the bends than it is, great traction very inteligent awd.
We have no any LSD on the rear or front axle unfortunatelly.

i see...you mix evo8 & evo9?
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but evo9 is a mivec engine as i have read right?...correct me if im wrong..

Hello!

ECU software accessed via ODB and overwritten.The codes have been really though to crack. That´s why it took 3 years before they managed this. I had contacts in ASIA, Switzerland, UK, Sweden, Germany etc that tried but didn´t have any success in getting able to overwrite and have the codes to access.

Finally they had a break-through and managed, ECUTEK first end then in Sweden.

You need to access via serviceconnection/ODB I believe you call it. Then you need accurate codes in order to overwrite fuel, ignition, pressures, etc etc.

//TOJ

Yes OBD is the serviceconnection. That is nice they can acces and read/write via OBD.
In the Outlander turbo big suck this engine managemant.. other Ecu, CAN bus, electric gaspedal no ecuflash.. :-D
Ecutek in Sweden coud write the Outlander turbo Ecu too ?



the E9 is mivec.

Ecu has been accessed by independent tuners also in Greece.

Dyno before ecu remap gives 189.3 bhp & 28.4 nm on the wheels.
After remap by independent tuner gives 230.6 bhp & 32.6 respectively (No exhaust or intake filter or anything else modification done).

On the other hand, after ecu remap by ecutek plus downpipe 3" plus racing cat plus new intake system, the car gave after dyno 280.3 bhp and 38.7 nm (I'm not sure if the 2nd case refers to dyno on the wheels or not).

These figures seems 100% accurate. The std car if we estimate 14% loss to the wheels due to 4 WD (todays 2 WD cars loses 7-12% to the wheels from the engine, 4 WD cars normally more 10-20%. The old Audi S4 lost 20% during the 90´s, let´s say our cars looses 14%)

Then std car left 215,8 HP/323,76 NM in engine.

Tuning step one 262,9 HP/371,6 NM in engine.

Step two if measured on the wheels the engine gave 319,5 HP/441 Nm.

The figures you had seems really correct. Normally a dynotest says what you have on the wheels. In my opinion since I know what difference it gives in the car I think that engine really gives more than 300 HP and over 400 Nm. Otherwise the exhaust and downpipe etc only gave approx +15 hp depending on how big loss we calculate with and approx + 16 Nm.

This seems little since we can also calculate with 15% loss and if the step two is in engine and we add 15% to the the result on the remap figures excluding exhaust/cat replacements etc that car gave 265 Hp in engine and 375 Nm.

Therefor it wouyld be nice to know because it seems that the result with map+exhaust+downpipe are measured on wheels. And if so it´s dramatic change :)

TOJ

new intake system,are we talking just open air filter or intake manifold?
does anyone have a picture of their 3" exhaust from the front to the back?

and what about new injectors?what does the original injectors deliver up to in bhp???the cycle shouldnt be more than 90% of maximum,always take off 10%

For the TD04 turbo the stock intake manifold and injector is enough.
If you want some more than intake and exhaust before the Ecu tuning buy the E8 or the E8 MR camshaft.

ok,so no one knows how much the injectors deliver?
i know in bmw,as i have had some of them...they almost are just enough to stock engine,wich is pretty lame

the Airtrek turbo has 450cc, the Outlander T need to be the same... fuelpump upgrade is enough for the TD04.

450cc?...nice :beer:
fuel pump upgrade is nice,do you use regulator to raise pressure too?...or is the pressure OK?...around 3bar or something?

pressure is 3 bar. cheap solution is to buy Evo 9 pump in the USA 50$+shipp but you can get brand new 255 walbro with shipping around 120$..

and the walbro can be bought where?and its a "plug & play" pump?

ebay.com yes buy it in kit for Evo. walbro