The biggest problem I see with turbo 4's and 6's trying to make massive power is detonation caused ring land failure on the pistons killing the engines rather quickly, compaired to most N/A V8's running similar hp numbers. I have to wonder how long some of these newer lightweight V8 blocks are going to stay together before having catastrophic block damage though. I know some of the newer (basically '85-'94 roller cam block) Ford 5.0's have been splitting right down the middle running around 550hp, the older heavier blocks seem to hold up at that power level better. I can't imagine the new aluminum aluminum blocks being much better strength wise, although most have extra support built in to them while still remaining extremely light.

oh and btw , thanks ver much fella's for not burning me, i have had similar dicussions with other import loving drivers and they were very shallow... :thumbsup:

hmm funny you should say that, the Z06 has 505hp from factory, it has a "standard" ls7 in it.... most of these i have seen have ran a very decent mileage (that is if you American's actually service your cars regularly....if at all... lol :bwekk: )

My mustang can take out your mustang :grin: it has a V12 supercharger making 1700hp and top speed of 487mph :grin:

holy **** r u serious?

lol No he's not serious. I think he's joking bigtime, since a Mustang barely has enough room under the hood for a V8. The engine bay isn't long enough to fit another 2 cylinders worth of engine length in it. You'd either have to move the firewall and steering wheel etc back about a foot, or stretch the front end quite a bit.

"hmm funny you should say that, the Z06 has 505hp from factory, it has a "standard" ls7 in it"

Yeah I know some of those Corvette engines are freaks of nature lol. I've never been a big Chevy fan(Ford guy here), so never really did a whole lot of research on how much those new LS engines can take before becomming paper weights. I used to watch the Camaro's pretty closely back in the 80's and early 90's when I was playing with my Mustang a lot more, since those were the cars I got to run against most often on the street (stock '93 Z28's with the LT1 and the 6 speed were slow, so were the 350 Iroc's of the 80's lol). I do know that back in the beginning (early 90's) of the Pro 5.0 class in drag racing, there were several guys getting 1000-1100hp using the factory 5.0 blocks and a stock stroke with a .030 over bore (fully forged internals obviously). They were only allowed 1 power adder, so most were running huge turbo's. Most of the engine block failures I've read about were in cars that were running huge shots of NOS.

I spent $2000 on a eclipse rs, cleand it up and it makes good number against v6's, with only intake. I put a turbo on it ($1000), with tuning ($300), plus some forged internals ($2000 over estimating on that one), i could rip a $25000 mustang out of its hull. Now if the person does get supercharger, and i only know three guys in my entire county who have one, they still get pounded in the top end. You can't turbo a v8 unless you got some serious cash. My friend (Forgive me for saying this) has a honda prelude with exhaust and intake (its one bad A$$ car. If it wasn't a sportronic he could beat 5.0 mustang. My city is very country and we have many, i say many, country boys who love muscle. But it just doesn't work that way anymore.

The mustang is a great car. But until the newest GT (300hp) i really don't thing muscle was being done right. Mustangs have lots of problems when you consider the way they react when raced. Their biggest problem is the launch, even though they are RWD.

this has been a fun thread. :amen:

lol people could play the I bought this and did that game forever, I only paid $1000 for my '65 Mustang coupe, added around $500 in aftermarket engine parts (cam, intake, used Holy carb and distributor), then got a built C-4 transmission from the U-Pull-It junk yard ($90 including the torque converter) and ran 12.8's @ 108mph with it. I agree the FOx Mustang's had trouble with launching with the stock rear suspension, but if you know what you're doing the car can run low 13's with nothing out of pocket other than the cost of a cold air intake, underdrive pulleys, and shorty headers. So I'd estimate $500 or so compaired to $3,000 or so to build up the bottom end and add a turbo, not to mention no matter how bad a stock Mustang launches, it is still much cheaper and easier to make it launch good, than it is to make a front wheel drive launch with decent power. ;)

Want to guess what Mustang it is :57: :grin:

hmm well actually a v8 is 90% of the time shorter than just about any straight 6 (and by heaps) , i have even seen some v6's (this got me puzzeled too....) with efi not fit into a engine bay that a old 5 ltr came out of...

yep nos will do that, it melts thing very easily as it has a much hotter burn......

hmm firstly (please i mean no disrespect whatsoever) i wasn't actually trying to use mustangs as an example at all , everyone seems to use them in there reply s for some reason tho... but in saying that , over here (in the great down under...lol) we have just about every single kind of performance part you can put in/on an engine and very very cheaply.. the commodores we have here (they use the vette engines, you guys would know the monaro version as a pontiac gto) can get a full TT kit fully installed (guaranteed for well over 650 rwhp) for literally under 15 g's , the super charger kits over here are basically the same too, and you can get a milder version for around 4 g's AUS installed, very very easy/cheap hp IMO.... btw every single turbo/SC 8 ive seen over here will easily (ok weird word to use but you get the idea..) do 200mph +

thanks mate for your comment ! :57:

hehe thats my point, dont get me wrong evo's are growing on me like cancer... CANCER WILL KILL YOU!!! lol :banana:

still waiting for my answer :grin:
hint: it was made a lot older then the ford mustang's.

Talk about Mustang anyone like the new mustang ??? anyone want to guess who made the mustang. and who also made the C5 corvette and camaro?

wait sorry must have missed it, what r you talking about?

Do i believe movies...hell no. Anything with "hollywood" on it i don't believe. But what i did there was paint an image. The point still remains. For that time place and event, which both of those are real cars, (as to there specks oyu can do some reserch and find) they were evenly matched. :)

Can a v8 out run a 4 cyl. Yes, but that's not the point. Most of us "tuners" don't need 800 hp. Its nice, but i work in a ice cream shop and make $7.50 an hr and am trying to pay for college soon to. A 800 hp car consumse gas (an expensive commodity :thumbsup: ) at an incredible rate. A supercharger works from idle all the way up till its mechanical limit, ie max rpm of car. A turbo can be worked to kick in at a specific rpm or even a gear.(much like NOS) Not only that but most of us youngins can't afford to put that much money in a car. We can aford little upgrades, like intake, fuel upgrades, maybe $1000 every now and then. Those who can, either don't care about fast cars, or they just buy a car that's fast stock. I don't mean to be rude but i believe based on basic deduction that muscle is prefered by those of an older age e.g. 30+. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOUNG people DON'T LIKE MUSCLE OR WOULDN'T DRIVE IT. :beer:

Yes, FWD drivers suck. That's why you get a RWD OR AWD setup. :trophy: Now about good numbers, well i've never been to a track :blush-anim-cl: and i don't have sophisticated equipment to get the numbers myself. We go by who finishes first. (don't worry i don't do the stupid stuff) I roll out of an abandoned parking lot. WORKS GREAT, all we have to do is keep the noise down and no one bothers us.

$500 for a setup is pretty good. But question. How much do your tools cost? : ;)

Could you ship us some of those cheap parts form down under...i'll take a catback exhaust for a rs eclipse, with straight pipe. How much.

lol Sorry I was busy playing video games most of the day yesterday and last night. I'll guess a P-51 Mustang (the WWII fighter plane). Tool wise all it really took was a basic socket and wrench set to do the mods I have on the Mustang(other than a borrowed harmonic balancer puller, but you could buy those for $12). When it came time to tune it, I did take it into the auto shop at the adult ed center I where I was working on getting ASE certified, and tuned it on the wheel dyno using the exhaust sniffer from the smog testing machine, so without access to that, it would have cost say another $125 to get it tuned in a garage to get it runnnig as good as I had it going. What really helped in making it run good times, is the car only weighs 2650lbs. I have 2.80 gears in the rear diff right now and only had to use 1st and 2nd gear in the 1/4 mile, so I still got right around 24mpg out of it as long as I kept my foot out of it on the open highway.

Yes! the P-51 Mustang was the mustang that i was thinking and talking about. Have ever seen a street mustang having a Merlin-engined in? It might be doable if you have the money and if your crazy about it.

The father of the new mustang was made by Hau Thai-Tang (Vietnamese American). The father of the corvette C5, camaro, porshe 911 aka 996, boxster, ferrari 599, mitsubishi colt, enzo ferrari and Honda NSX. and many more to add to this list is ken okuyama (Japanese).

you have made some very good points there mate, when my dad was on the dole (ok this is a few years back now....lol) during his young buck years he easily managed to keep/build a HQ ute, it ran 12's back then and had a 327 in it with a muncie from a vette, it did 90 mph in 2nd gear, and he still had 2 kids a wife and repayments.... but you know the ole inflation........ ****........

as far as your Q goes , im a mechanic (i also install LPG kits) and to be honest i have lost count of how much all my tools cost, i know the tool box (Snap On) was around 6 G's without any tools , and there are hundreds of tools in it, a single 10mm Snap On 1/4 drive socket costs around the $35 range (AUS), and its basically up from there, if you do roadworthy s then its more again.....

about your exhaust, i don't do them so i cant tell you but i can have look for some suppliers for you that ship OS, will let you know when i find something mate... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: