Wow you really don't know about the NSX. In the early 90's the NSX made all the other super Cars look like junk. Then NSX was the one on putting a standard on things. IT even has the First working Vtec. BMW made it but it didn't work as well. HONDA took it and made it work. That car is an engineering master peace. If you don't know, the NSX was the founders dream car after completing it he has pass away.

Well actually the first working Vtec was in the civic but yeah the NSX pretty much owned everything from Japan.

It made other super cars look like junk?????

The Ferrari GTO, the Ferrari 512, the Lamborghini Countach, the Corvette ZR1 and GS, the Dodge Viper R/T, the Porsche 959, the Jaguar XJ220....

These all made the NSX look like a piece of garbage being blown around in the wind. The NSX is a tumbleweed just following around in the vortex left behind by all of these cars.

Bet you didn't know that all of those cars ran faster 1/4 mile, and had a better g-force rating than that POS that honda built. They ran all tracks faster, and are real cars, not little girly excuses for cars.

It had the first working Vtec... to me there is no such thing. All forms of VVT are junky ways to increase the noise your car makes in the high rpms. They will never be a replacement for turbo, super, or straight power. HP sells cars, TQ wins races. It isn't a masterpiece, it is a disasterpiece. For 50-80k there is alot of better, more reliable, faster cars out there.

Another thing. It didn't own everything from Japan. The VR4, the Supra TT, the Nissan 300zx, and to a lesser extent the R32 skyline, all had a chance against that car. And guess what, they all cost half as much. The Supra runs a faster track time, the 300z runs a faster 1/4, the VR4 keeps up with it in both, and the skyline... its a skyline.

I still stand by my opinion. The only two good cars that honda has ever made were the Acura RSX-S, and the 99-00 SI civic.

I didn't know that the Corvette ZR1 and Dodge Viper R/T. Came out in the Early 90's ???

Honda was the One who put the bench mark in all the super cars of today. They was the pioneer of an all aluminium monocoque chassis. They have great engineers, F1 Drivers who help in the development of the car. It was all thanks to Soichiro Honda the Father of Honda. After he's death the whole Dream of Honda when with Soichiro.

Back in those day super cars was junk why?? they would brake all the time. The fit and finish was not all there. The NSX has the back of Honda it don't brake down like those others. The only other super car that is a base of the NSX was the McLaren F1.
I know there is a video surfing around the internet how the nsx was made and compare it to the Ferrari 612 Scaglietti thats about a 17 years time gap but the way on how it was build is the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izaWlKxVo1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaJNZ0dpAmI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeHrRu2MxEs
http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/multimedia...ory-Channel.mpg
http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/multimedia...-nsx_type_s.mpg
http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/multimedia...type_s_zero.mpg
http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/multimedia...type_s_zero.mpg

The Lamborghini Countach :laughing: thats a lot of laughs. Just look at it! I know it looks cool and all but do you really want that as a car to show off getting in and out of. You can't even park that thing.

Your funny talking about a Ferrari 512 race car Vs. a street car. Fine than look up the Porsche 917. that thing owned ferrari

The Jaguar XJ220. Want to know the reason for this car ??? Reason being in that time Jaguar had a lot of money laying around. So the engineers just made that car for S@#t and giggles the interior of the car is a joke.

Sure all those car above are cool and all but how much is for the up keep of them ??? Just for 1 Ferrari about 10,000 - 20,000 miles on the OD you have to do the valve jjob on them. Where as the NSX you don't have to until 100,000 miles on them. And also want to know how much it cost on something like that on the Ferrari ?? oh, its about $20,000. And under 100,000 miles it need a engine rebuild.

Thats why you don't buy a ferrari if you cant afford the maitanence.

The nsx is just as costly to repair.

The R/T viper came out in 1992, the ZR1 corvette existed from 1989-1995. The LT4 GS corvette was made in 1996. That year it had the best gforce rating(handling) and one of the top 1/4 mile times, clocking in at just under 12.5

The 917 was a race car. The 512TR was a street legal supercar.

Why show me a video when the F50 smokes the hell out of the nsx?
Top gear never knows what they are talking about, they get everything wrong and do little gimmiky things to boost ratings.
The other video has nothing to do with the argument.

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Uhh Thats Motor trends article.


I'll keep them coming if you want?


http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Media/magazines/1990-12-mt-h.jpg

That article doesnt mean much, considering right at the very beginning they talk about the inconsistancy in the tires. Which although they may say is minor, is actually a very major aspect of any vehicles performance.

Also, I have seen too many VR4's and 300zx cars run under 14 with no mods.

They were complaining that the stealth's tires sucked.

i think that is tempurature associated. i'm assuming that in the winter at a low alt you'd shave close to a second off of a time done in the summer at 3000FT.

No they are talking that the stealths tires were brand new and a horrible brand, which doesn't matter because the car is awd.

no, i understood that, but he said he's seen vr4's and 300zx's run under 14 stock, i was stating why that could be.

Viper = junk, corvette = junk. you pay $80,000 for pretty much for the engine. body, R&D, fit and finish is crap. If you pay +$200,000 you want something all around that is nice, great fit and finish, reliable, something that would take your breath away. A.M, Honda, McLaren F1 (that used the NSX as a base for there car.)

For calling something stupid, that don't know anything about it and no knowledge about now thats stupid. But having an understanding and knowing about then I can see your point. I see two reason why you don't like the car:

1, Yourself wanted one but you can't pay for that kind of money and bash it for that.
2, You know that is the Best Japanese super car out there.

Know what?? If you are able to find an NSX, Drive it!! then report back. I know the feeling of an NSX I got in ONE Special NSX that only 51 that is only in the U.S.

That old Top Gear the one who is driving the NSX Tiff He use to drive a F1 car. F1 drives are the 1st best drivers in the world in my book, 2nd WRC drivers. Oh! and your Nascar are the bottom feeders.



14sec, WOW thats fast. but not as fast as the NSX 13sec. All the super cars that came out from Japan are FAT example 3000GT vr4, 300ZX, Skyline, Supra. they are all fat. the only 2 light weight are the NSX and the Rx7

The corvette is not junk. I know a guy that has over 250,000 miles on his 1996 C4, still on the stock engine, still on the stock body, no paint flaws.

The old viper is the same way.

The nsx is junk, VVT is junk. No torque, no feeling of power at all. And thank you very much, but I have been behind the wheel of an nsx. I got to drive it at an auto show here in STL about 2 or 3 years ago. I also got to drive the then "new" GTO, and the C5 corvette. Both of which were better. I have also driven VR4's and 300zx's. Almost everyone I know actually has me go to the track to do their 1/4 mile.

If you never saw the post, I have ran a 14.9 in my 1991 GS. Think about what I would do to that little POS you call a supercar if I had something with a little more than 140hp. NSX runs a mid 13 on a good day. Corvettes and Vipers run sub 13 all day and handle better... so what wins? The nsx with it's squirrel power??? I think not.

How can you say the other japanese supercars are pigs, when the nsx weighs in at about 3200lbs?

I'm not a nascar guy, and I absolutely loathe F1. The drivers might be great, but that doesn't mean they know everything about a car. All of those shows are paid to endorse cars. Seriously, look at MT and C&D, the american cars pretty much always win everything. I wonder why???

And by the way, as for this "ferrari fighter", what people used to call it, any fight with a ferrari it loses. And the comment about the Lambo in your other post doesn't even make sense.

NSX is for little girls, or little boys who want some guy on guy action.

wow, intense.

i got an idea, lets all just have a few :beer:

Hahaha the corvette and viper..... guess what you paying for ???? I have seen the both of the interiors. plastic junk. do you really want to pay a 80k car and have plastic ??

You think F1 drives don't know there cars ??? you are so wrong. They can tell the difference with just feeling. Someone as old like Jackie Stewart still can ripe you a new one.

If you think Vtec is junk then Why, why did everyone else jump in to the band wagon ??? you have Mitsubishi, toyota, GM, Porsche and others that have it ??? They know that it can improve performance and a bit more power.

Is it me or you don't know about much of the NSX. saying it weight in 3200. My eclipse is that heavy. The nsx weights in 2950lb no driver.

Like i said YOU have no knowledge about this car and calling it stupid. when in fact your the oxymoron

wow its matter of opinion here some may like the car some dont even if its a good car.i have always found the nsx an to an amazing car compared to some others out there.but as far as how it performs i dont know much the ones i have seen around here are not even close to stock.some nsx are very high in price close to what you would pay for a viper and vette.

Actually the C4 Corvette(ZR-1 and LT4) have mostly leather interior. The Corvette only weighs 3048lbs and this is with 5.7l cast iron V8, leather, digital everything... rated at 335, dynoed at 385hp. Just about 395tq. Quarter mile in under 12.5. Nurburgring in just about 7:50. Not to mention has one of the strongest 6 speed trannys ever made. The engines last over 200,000 miles. What is wrong with this vehicle. What makes the nsx so much better??? Vtec, are you serious???

And no, F1 drivers don't know everything about cars. Seriously, do you think an F1 driver could hop into a dodge neon and drive it like they drive an f1 car. The classes are completely different. The engines are completely different, the chasis, the suspension, tires, everything is 100% different. That is like saying that someone who is a Jet plane fighter could hop into a WWI fighter and fly it perfectly. I think not.

Not everyone jumped on the bandwagon because vtec is oh so wonderful. People jump on it to sell cars for gas mileage. Vtec is a noisemaker, nothing else. When you "hit vtec" you dont gain anything, you just lose fuel economy. You still have zero tq, you aren't gaining any power, and your car sounds like an angry bumblebee inside of a coke can. It doesn't improve performance, and you lose power, in the form of tq.

The 1992 NSX has a curb weight of 3010 according to hondanews.com, the newer models have a curb weight of 3153, this also coming from hondanews.com. I would say that it is a reliable source.

I have plenty of knowledge on this car. So far, your argument has only been that the american cars have plastic interior, and that the euro cars have a high price tag. All you have given is minor things that have nothing to do with the performance of the vehicle.

comming up next.......

in the red corner, the reigning champion, weighing in at 1343 posts, hes a SMOD versed in multiple car driving........ BOBTHECOW!!!!

and the challenger, a new and upcomming MOD, weighing in at over 2500 posts, he drives a tricked out GSX.......... 4G63ATTACK!!!!!!!

haha, sorry guys i felt like being dumb.

For what it is, the NSX is the Bench Mark of ALL present day super car. With out it all others would be as unreliable as a Cow. You have your head way up your rear end about How I HATE HONDA. that you wouldn't believe the fact that is even in front of your face because it is so dark in their.



WOW! your saying as if you was a F1 driver ?? This is were you are wrong. Sure the cars are different. They can still driver faster then you and me even with a stock car. It don't mater what has done to the car.



You sound like you have a lot of money to spend and all. Why don't you buy a car from the 70's and all your pay check will just feed your car. You don't know what day and age we all are. Gasoline will be around 4 bucks a gallon. and to feed your suv is going to be over $100 bucks. I'm sure you have the money to pay for that.



even so it is still a lot lighter then those other cars that i have mention. It sound like you are a red neck with only one thing in mind and thats is just POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. As if you know WHY honda made the car the way it is and why they did it.



American can't make a car look what are people are buying today. All they know how is a big engine and crappy interior that wouldn't last. The fit and finish thats a joke. My Camry has better fit and finish of the Viper. How I know?? I was Up close and personal.

If people like Big powerful American cars, Why they are ALL dying?? Shouldn't they still be the top 3 ?? How come Ford got bet, Mercedes-Benz sold Chrysler off, and your favorite GM, are down siding like mad and both companies are not even calling there own shots any more.

Want to know another Fact ?? Toyota and Honda are still being run by them self.

Pulling out the I've driven the car card.

It is a nice car that is vastly underpowered to be called a Ferrari Fighter.

Calling any of these three (NSX, Viper, Corvette) Junk is a complete and bias opinion and it is wrong.

For the price the NSX is not worth it.

VVT is not junk it is a great concept that sells cars... ALOT OF CARS. Granted as soon as you start getting past BPU most tuners get rid of it but on a stock car that is driven on the streets daily it is a good idea.

Saying VVT is a god and OMG my car has Vtec so its amazing is dumb, its not that good. But in the eyes of a person who owns a S2k that can drive it below 5600 get great gas and then rev past there have 246 and it revs to 8900