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jbutler17
post Mar 10 2008, 02:11 PM
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Wondering if anyone who has previously or currently owns a GTO can fill me in on any pros or cons to this car. I am mostly looking for any cons but if have some pros curious to known them as well.
Also if know of any weakness or anything to look out for.
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post Mar 10 2008, 05:57 PM
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I just got my GTO, here are some info the the Twin turbo mostly.

Pros:
EXTREMELY CHEAP IF YOU LIVE IN CANADA(imported from japan only, i do mean trash cheap)
AllWheel Drive
Tiny turbos which results in almost zero turbo lag
luxury
A p*ssy magnet (with the right set of rims)
electronically adjustable suspension
other random staff like active aero
stick to the road like sh*t on Velcro at high speeds
handling/cornering competitive to M3 BMW

Speed equivalent to Corvette C5/faster than porche 911/944

Cons:
you can pretty much expect to go from gas station to gas station if you have a TT
(also depends on if you drive like an ahole)
Very complicated machine
Weight is 3800-4000 pounds
Can be contly to insure depends on where you live(here in canada its just liek a regular car to me because they insurance companies do not have right hand drive cars in their systems yet)
Maintenance can be very difficult(due to the limited amount of GTO mechanics)
Also if you look under the hood of a TT VR4 you will find it hand to even take out your battery.


im sure the mod will tell you more
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post Mar 10 2008, 06:10 PM
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haha thanks for the info man.. ya i also live in Canada and working on importing one. As price for imports is so good to pass up. My brothers both have imports so i know most stuff. I know gas is going to suck but not what i really care about haha. I knew fairly heavy..wondering if this is a big deal with its quickness? what do u think 2jz? I heard has lots of torque to make up for this extra weight?

But any mechanical things? like transmission strength?
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post Mar 10 2008, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE(jbutler17 @ Mar 10 2008, 06:10 PM)
haha thanks for the info man.. ya i also live in Canada and working on importing one. As price for imports is so good to pass up. My brothers both have imports so i know most stuff. I know gas is going to suck but not what i really care about haha. I knew fairly heavy..wondering if this is a big deal with its quickness? what do u think 2jz? I heard has lots of torque to make up for this extra weight?

But any mechanical things? like transmission strength?
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just make sure you import it from an auction or tradecarview.com DO NOT buy it from websites since they middlemen and will charge you more cause they have to make a profit too

about the torque let me put it this way
I drove a automatic soarer for 1 year and that seemed fast to me it was TT (280 hp)
then i got in the a stick TT gto and the difference is HUGE eventhough they have 20 hp difference ( i think the main difference is those tiny turbos which result in ZERO turbo lag, soarer has some lag or maybe it was just cause it was auto, never driven in a stick soarer)

im not too sure about the tranny, but you have to remember they are old cars(1993 is highest in canada unless you want to buy a stealth)

2jz's are great for modding (keep in mind the toyota aristo has a 2jz) N/A supras are fairly cheap(most expensice than a TT gto) , but a TT supra will cost you anywhere from 8-18k without shipping gst etc.. so you have to be pretty well off to buy a mk4 , but also keep in mind i think a TT stick gto and TT stick mk4 are pretty equal, but the 2jz has a lot more potential than the 6G72

wait for the mod to answer he's the real expert
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post Mar 10 2008, 06:25 PM
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ya i know...my brother knows a guy down there who goes to the auctions.

Really thats pretty good then.. my brother has a TT soarer which in standard and it seems really fast but he has done few things to it, but now that you mention the turbo lag i can remember it.

Ya true are old cars cause know have to be 15 years old to import.

Alright thanks for the info and ill wait for the mods to see if they have any other info.
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post Mar 10 2008, 06:28 PM
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o also curious how much you paid for yours? shipped here and everything?

Or how much i guess until you were able to drive it?
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post Mar 10 2008, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(jbutler17 @ Mar 10 2008, 06:28 PM)
o also curious how much you paid for yours? shipped here and everything?

Or how much i guess until you were able to drive it?
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i bought mine for 4200 canadian, 1000 for shipping + canada customs
700 for duty/gst/ac brokarage fees 500 for shipping from vancouver to calgary
and i havenot done yet but i will need OOP inspection which is 200 for inspection bout 30-50 for DOT light module, and my break pads worn out so thats liek 100 with labor

its 1993 125k's on it TT manual
this one came with aftermarket Advan rims, hks bov hks intake stereo etc..
there was stickers on mine says oil filter changed recently , but i will have to probably change my timing belt + water pump + tensioners (70 bux for the kit + 50 bux to do the work from the mechanic)
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post Mar 10 2008, 07:42 PM
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so close to $7000 ish when all said and done? Did you have any problems going through safeties? I know in Sask i have to hotwire the fog logs to be on for daily drivers as neccasary. Also all 4 tires need to match and be over 50% wear

Guy i was talking to quoted me at around $6500 landed in vancouver, then would have to pay shipping to my location and would be like $500-600. So i was thinking around $7000 but then depends if any problems come through i need to do after safety.
This is a 1992 GTO, 117,000 kms, 5 speed, TT, A/M Exhaust, Momo Steering Wheel, HKS Dual Air filter, A/M Blow Off Valve, Battle Club Turbo Boost Gauge, Carrozeria CD and Tape Deck Stereo, A/M Pedals. Its got leather interior which is in decent shape but little sign of wear and cracking. other than that its in mint condition..only scratch or two on body.

What do you think... good buy?

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post Mar 10 2008, 07:50 PM
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so close to $7000 ish when all said and done? Did you have any problems going through safeties? I know in Sask i have to hotwire the fog logs to be on for daily drivers as neccasary. Also all 4 tires need to match and be over 50% wear

Guy i was talking to quoted me at around $6500 landed in vancouver, then would have to pay shipping to my location and would be like $500-600. So i was thinking around $7000 but then depends if any problems come through i need to do after safety.
This is a 1992 GTO, 117,000 kms, 5 speed, TT, A/M Exhaust, Momo Steering Wheel, HKS Dual Air filter, A/M Blow Off Valve, Battle Club Turbo Boost Gauge, Carrozeria CD and Tape Deck Stereo, A/M Pedals. Its got leather interior which is in decent shape but little sign of wear and cracking. other than that its in mint condition..only scratch or two on body.

What do you think... good buy?
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sounds like a steal just make sure with him that there are no major problems(one of my friends got his car with a belt axel) also ask him when the maintenance was done ( last one) because it looks like your hitting the 120k mark and you will ABSOLUTELY need to change timing belt/water pump/tensioners/ and the idles that coem with the kit) that is if the last maintenance was too far back. haah i guess the leather seats make up for the rims( if you have an exporter ask him if he can lower the "bill of sale" price so you will have to pay less GST/Duty, my exporter wrote that there was a problem with the engine with bill of sale of 500 dollars so i only had to pay 12.1% of 500 + a/c+ brokarage)
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post Mar 10 2008, 08:01 PM
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Yea i figured would have to change those things just to be sure. This car is with a website though...so do have to pay a little more but i think still good deal as i have been looking around. Yea would be a bonus to have rims as are expensive but these stock ones arent too bad. Yes i am trying to ask about maintence and things like that and he told me to send through my phone number to talk about it... so i figured that would be good to actually talk in person.

But doubting will lower the cost cause is with a bigger website. This car is located in their stock but they also have the option for them to go out and bid on a car up to certain price for you. But i would rather buy from stock to know what im getting exactly.

Before i agreed with you not liking the websites but this one seems alot better than most ive looked at... as they take about 20 pictures of each car and every angle which is nice. They tell you of every flaw on the car and take close ups of it. Even two pictures of the under body. I even seen on another car they add details to say clutch needs to be replaced and stuff so seems more trustful then most.

Only hold on my plans is i need to sell my jeep before anything takes place which is killing me
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post Mar 10 2008, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(jbutler17 @ Mar 10 2008, 08:01 PM)
Yea i figured would have to change those things just to be sure. This car is with a website though...so do have to pay a little more but i think still good deal as i have been looking around. Yea would be a bonus to have rims as are expensive but these stock ones arent too bad. Yes i am trying to ask about maintence and things like that and he told me to send through my phone number to talk about it... so i figured that would be good to actually talk in person.

But doubting will lower the cost cause is with a bigger website. This car is located in their stock but they also have the option for them to go out and bid on a car up to certain price for you. But i would rather buy from stock to know what im getting exactly.

Before i agreed with you not liking the websites but this one seems alot better than most ive looked at... as they take about 20 pictures of each car and every angle which is nice. They tell you of every flaw on the car and take close ups of it. Even two pictures of the under body. I even seen on another car they add details to say clutch needs to be replaced and stuff so seems more trustful then most.

Only hold on my plans is i need to sell my jeep before anything takes place which is killing me
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totally up to you if you want to use a website, just remember, middlemen need to make profit, so buying derectly from an exporter will be cheaper because there is 1 less middelman. The benefits of buying from a site is they usually take care of your brokarage fees and canada customs fees etc..

which website are you talking about ? Just don't buy from www.jdmconnection.ca or redlineimports.ca importconcern.ca can be considered but they are also pricey


the car that you mentioned and mine would cost 10k minimum on a site like jdmconnection.ca with that many mods


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Yea thats the thing with the middleman but when factor it in not huge price increase.
Yes i know i wouldnt consider buying one from around her... there is like nothing decent around here for 7000. All ones in my area...even though i have only seen one in my home town which is nice...more rare. there on upwards of 10 g's.
Ya its none of those websites... ill send you the link to the car and website personally just cause ive had people copy the link and try to buy what i was looking at before
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First, anyone who is charging you $50 for a tbelt change is insane. This is a 4hour+ job. Don't forget the water pump.

Pros.
300 HP
307 FT/LBS torque
Active suspension
Active exhaust
All wheel drive
All wheel steering.
14.2 1/4mile with no launch stock
13.8 with a launch
$3000 USD will put you in the 12's

Cons
the motor likes to spin bearings.
the turbos are to small.
The active suspension will crap out on you within a year of ownership, and no one in their right mind will touch it.

The rear transfer case likes to lock up on you at the most inopportune times possible. Imagine having the rear wheels lock up dead at 80MPH

All wheel Steering is not cool at first.

The steering wheel is overly large.

The front defroster vents will forever be cracked and broken. get used to it.

You will have a window regulator *** on you while its raining and you for some unknown reason will have your window down.

If you shift it like a front wheel drive car you will be spending $1800 USD on a new transmission. And then paying for labor

The reason the 3/S's aren't in the 8's is because of the driveline.

The shift boot will crack and look horrible.

Two motor mounts are easy to change... the other oooo boy not so easy. I'll post up a link for you to read. Lets just say it took a shop in Vancouver about 30+ hours to figure out they couldn't do it. So they put all the parts (turbos, pipes, bolts, manifolds, ect) in the hatch and told the owner to get his POS out of their shop. Heres the number for a tow company.

Oh yeah you can only tow this car on a flatbed.

Theres a good chance you will need to have your ECU repaired due to leaking caps.

The front air dam on the active areo likes to break and cause the whole system to go into the default mode. which means it doesn't work

I always end up attracting sausage instead of the preferred, which sucks.

I also get everyone and their mother tailgating me and or driving 10 below the speed limit.

It will break if you beat on it.

If you launch it hard a decent amount of the time you will be investing in a clutch companies stock.

The stock gauges are eye candy... which don't read whats actually happening.

If you don't have $$$ or know how to read a tech manual and turn a wrench don't bother.

If you do... then welcome to the owning of the best Grand Touring car ever produced
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First, anyone who is charging you $50 for a tbelt change is insane. This is a 4hour+ job. Don't forget the water pump.

Pros.
300 HP
307 FT/LBS torque
Active suspension
Active exhaust
All wheel drive
All wheel steering.
14.2 1/4mile with no launch stock
13.8 with a launch
$3000 USD will put you in the 12's

Cons
the motor likes to spin bearings.
the turbos are to small.
The active suspension will crap out on you within  a year of ownership, and no one in their right mind will touch it.

The rear transfer case likes to lock up on you at the most inopportune times possible. Imagine having the rear wheels lock up dead at 80MPH

All wheel Steering is not cool at first.

The steering wheel is overly large.

The front defroster vents will forever be cracked and broken. get used to it.

You will have a window regulator *** on you while its raining and you for some unknown reason will have your window down.

If you shift it like a front wheel drive car you will be spending $1800 USD on a new transmission. And then paying for labor

The reason the 3/S's aren't in the 8's is because of the driveline.

The shift boot will crack and look horrible.

Two motor mounts are easy to change... the other oooo boy not so easy. I'll post up a link for you to read. Lets just say it took a shop in Vancouver about 30+ hours to figure out they couldn't do it. So they put all the parts (turbos, pipes, bolts, manifolds, ect) in the hatch and told the owner to get his POS out  of their shop. Heres the number for a tow company.

Oh yeah you can only tow this car on a flatbed.

Theres a good chance you will need to have your ECU repaired due to leaking caps.

The front air dam on the active areo likes to break and cause the whole system to go into the default mode. which means it doesn't work

I always end up attracting sausage instead of the preferred, which sucks.

I also get everyone and their mother tailgating me and or driving 10 below the speed limit.

It will break if you beat on it.

If you launch it hard a decent amount of the time you will be investing in a clutch companies stock.

The stock gauges are eye candy... which don't read whats actually happening.

If you don't have $$$ or know how to read a tech manual and turn a wrench don't bother.

If you do... then welcome to the owning of the best Grand Touring car ever  produced
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My friend happens to be the only person i know who is a mechanic and who has ONLY worked on gtos thats why hes charging little if i provide the kit

I was just laughing my **** off to your reply cause i also get ONLY sausage attention on the soarer

what do you mean by "drive it like its a front wheel drive car"

"I also get everyone and their mother tailgating me and or driving 10 below the speed limit." what does this mean ???
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post Mar 10 2008, 09:59 PM
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No if you slam gears like its a front wheel drive Honda you will break stuff.

I have, usually soccer moms in minivans riding my @ss even though I am driving the speed limit or faster.

I always seem to have someone in front of me going way to slow.
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No if you slam gears like its a front wheel drive Honda you will break stuff.

I have,  usually soccer moms in minivans riding my @ss even though I am driving the speed limit or faster.

I always seem to have someone in front of me going way to slow.
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are these problems for absolutely all models 1990-1999 ?? the ones that you mentioned
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Its actually applicable to all and any all wheel drive vehicles.

When you dump a clutch you are unloading stress on your driveline.

Clutch, trans, axles, driveshaft, tires.

One of those has to absorb the or get rid of the stress.

In FWD cars the tires will break loose and the stress will be disipated that way.

With AWD you have much more traction and other parts take that stress. with no way to release it untill the car it self moves.


Imagine pushing a dead car.

You can push and push and push but until the driver of the dead car lets off the brakes the stress and energy you built up is just wearing out your arms and legs. Once the car moves the stress is released.

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Its actually applicable to all and any all wheel drive vehicles.

When you dump a clutch you are unloading stress on your driveline.

Clutch, trans, axles, driveshaft, tires.

One of those has to absorb the or get rid of the stress.

In FWD cars the tires will break loose and the stress will be disipated that way.

With AWD you have much more traction and other parts take that stress. with no way to release it untill the car it self moves.
Imagine pushing a dead car.

You can push and push and push but until the driver of the dead car lets off the brakes the stress and energy you built up is just wearing out your arms and legs. Once the car moves the stress is released.
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you've almost depleted whatever fantasy i had left for my gto :(
now i'm thinking i should sell it:(
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Ill buy it I love those wheels. ;)

But seriously the car can take abuse, you just have to be gentle too. <