Recently i was on you tube and i was looking for street races to watch, and i ran up on a video with a eclipse 3G mind you and a corvette going at it. Now i know a lot of people see the corvette as a super car because its exotic looking and fast. Well in this video they start at about 60 maybe 50 mph. And by the end of the video they are neck and neck. Now im not a genius but i do know that the vette was probably going 150 or 160, and has way more torque than an eclipse, so what my thought is, if aftermarket parts and money can make an eclipse keep up with a nice sort of super car like that how come mitsubishi doesnt come out with a stock car that can do that? i know the evo is their pride and joy, and if i had the money i would have one. but with all that said it was a nice sight seeing a 3G ( i know blew my mind too ) go neck and neck with a vette, made a tear fall :clap: :clap: :clap:

Because they would fail miserably.

How many kids do you see with 3000gt's

Now Supras?

My point.

Point well taken but at the same time, the 3000GT has stopped production also has the Supra, with those losses and the downfall of the celica ( motor wise ) the only standing giants right now that you can still buy at dealerships brand new are the Subaru WRX STi and Nissan 350Z and of course the EVO, now with making the new Eclipses ( the GT version with 270 HP why not make it AWD and let a Turbo add-on be an upgrade, i think they would have destroyed the market with an Eclipse GT AWD with over 300HP....it just seems like they tried NOT to bring out the guns on this one.

uhhh.. no


The Corvettes competition is,

The Porsche 911 Turbo (997T)

The Nissan GTR

The Ferrari 455

Even the Audi R8 is slower.

You really consider those cars on par with the 350Z and the EVO?


Bring out the guns...?? Buy an EVO.


Want more, buy an E46 M3

more go with the new M3

Need more well you've already passed the Z06 price tag but you can buy the 911.

Mitsubishi has nothing that can compete with these cars.

Mitsubishi is dying

Toyota is buying more of Subaru.

GM is slowly losing customers.

Ford is just barely there because the F150 sells like hotcakes

Chrysler/ Jeep/ Dodge, are talking about stopping production on 5 cars in the next 5 years, and the Viper's sales were down to like 400 last year apposed to 2300 or something the year before. So theres talk about ending that in 2011 or so.


Mitsubushi will not add AWD to the Eclipse. It will take away from the EVO.

They can not afford to build a supercar, they just don't have a platform.

The AWD/ Turbo Eclipses aren't coming back because in 99 the sales sucked.

We can complain all we want its not happening.

If Hyundai is successful with the new Gennisis Mitsubishi who hasn't developed a RWD car in almost 20 years might just decide to change the eclipse platform.. but they won't because right now the Eclipse and the galant basically share everything. And that would require money.

The eclipses competion is the V6 Accord and the V6 altima, and it loses against both of them.

You can't compare an EVO, or a Z to the Vette.

The vet is kind of in a class of it's own, no european car is really built to compete with it, they are either way faster or quite a bit slower, but unlike the american muscle car, those car's can take corners.... The z06 is unreal in a straight line and would leave any european car in the same bracket way behind, but soon as it came ot a corner..... bye bye

**** dude that i eat noobs guy knows too much lol

Are you serious, ???? European cars are no comparison to the corvette?? one word Bugatti. and no mitsubishi is not dying, fading maybe and ive seen the concept eclipse for 2011, its sick. maybe not world impacting but way impressive if it hits the line like it says. and for EMC if i wanted RWD i would track down an MR2 you dont have to shell out all the money for whats popular. not everybody wants the car thats on the cover of import tuner. im just saying why have a car that defined import racing in 90's along with the civic, supra, integra die off during the last ten years to where people look at it and think for 8 to 10 grand i can get something that demolishes that. like the 3000GT why not bring that back it was an awesome car and great platform, dont do anything different just update the body style and bam i bet it would sell. our economy sucks i admit but come on, i love mitsubishi because of the eclipse and the 3000GT and the evo, but how come the first has been reduced to high school girl presents and the second just dissappeared.

You completely missed the point man

The Vette isn't a super car, super cars are wierd **** looking cars with ridiculas power.... There is only like one super car from America and it's the Ford GT, i know they're are others but for agrument sake i'll just use that one.... Compareing a vet to a Buggati is like comparing a Hyundai Accent to a Evo 8.... They are no where near the same class....

The vette is on par with every European car on the planet if not better.

And I hate that car. I absolutely hate the Z06. But I will give it credit when its due and it is one hell of a car. I've driven a C5 corvette and can only imagine what the C6 drives like. But I've also driven the 911 so I have an idea of what a corvette would need to do in order to be better.

I'm still taking a 996/7/turbo.

Edit. Every mass production car on the planet.

I own a 3000GT, I've driven the NA the twin turbos and modified twin turbos.

Its a great car. Maybe awesome, but it was no super car. Price wise, almost, but no not really. 320HP and close to 50k in '99, I can buy a used 996 turbo and beat the piss out of the 3/S at everything. The concept was great. The actual production lacked. How many accidents have to happen before you realize your rear differential design sucks.

Lifters, are they even fixed in the newer cars or do they still suck.


I never said or implied that you wanted a RWD car. (An MR2 isn't the best choice, Try working on one)

All I said is that there is a better chance for the next generation eclipse to be RWD.

They have the EVO the new ralliart is or will be AWD I do not see them putting another car in the lineup to compete with their EVO. Obviously didn't work for Chevy. Obviously didn't work for toyota, ect ect. C'mon supra celica, both gone, (don't lecture me on how the scion tc is the new celica) The eclipse evo 3000gt. the 3/s is gone, the evo took its place. the eclipse is trying to compete with the accord/altima.

You want AWD go buy an STi or an EVO, to fast to expensive, cant get the innsurance, get a WRX or an 01 audi s4 1.8 t (you really want the 2.7tt but then again i doubt you'll be able to get that.."

Wanna keep going?


Ok, The 3000GT was stopped because the sales went down. With Nissan bringing over the GTR, and Lexus (toyota) with their LF-H or whatever (read supra) it is possible that mitsubishi will flex their muscles a little. I doubt it. They will stick to their EVO.

We'll see if this EVO even lives up to the name. Sure it looks good on paper and does well on the track and has received alot of praise but lets see how the new motor accepts full blown modification.

Remember Mitsubishi is more then just cars, they are tuna, electronics and a couple other things. so just because Mitsubishi is doing well doesn't mean Mitsubishi motors is doing well.


Bugatti... Yeah... a car with double the horsepower of a the vette and whats the price tag?



My Point.

well i dont know how the conversation got to european cars and all that other ***, i was wanting to know how come it seems like for mitsubishi tuners its like the evo is only way to go, and im talking about new cars not 90's. i just want mitsubishi to go out swinging their fist if they are going to let basically let subaru and nissan have it all.

What does Subaru bring to the table?

Explain how the z06 isn't marketed as a supercar? it costs as much as a low level super car, on par with the new GT-R from nissan, sure its not a monster, but what can you define it as other than a low level super car? It's 0-60 is impressive, no matter how much I hate to admit it.
And if you want an american monster, try the shelby supercars Aero TT, the worlds fastest production car.

Well, I might not be as knowledgeable about the market stuff with mitsubishi and all that, but for those of your that think the Z06 is all that then wait a year and prepare to be amazed.. and for those of you that think the Z06 isn't in the same class as other super cars then why is it being used in Europe as one of the premier competitors to porsche and audi and ferrari.. It holds it's own and America just found a way to do it for so much cheaper then european design has. We stayed basic with the body and interior. Euro design went excessive and always have with extremely complicated braking systems and suspension and Engines that are out of this world.. yeah European cars are monsters, but a super car is not a monster.. a super car just performs when needed and why wouldn't you want the same performance for cheaper.. you shouldn't have to pay 1.5 million dollars to buy an enzo when you can buy a vette with the same capability at 80,000 dollars. It's just plain stupidity if you ask me.

IMO I think every car manufacturer should do what dodge did with the SRT 4 before discontinuing it. Build a decently fast car for sale, then put together staged upgrade kits.

The only problem is the aftermarket. As soon as a decent car is built they jump on testing and mix/matching parts to upgrade it without buying the overpriced dealership kits.

scooby doo (subaru) "tried" to bring a tuner car into the picture (wrx) but put the wrong transmission in it. upgrade it too fast and you pick it up with a bucket.

The ONLY reason the Evo and STI's are on the market is so they can compete on the "rally" race circuit. One of the rules for that class of racing is that the competition cars have to be a "production vehicle" that is relatively unmodified. So those manufacteres basically are selling actual race cars for consumer use.

+1 to jennigesrya also. Even though the "super" cars are gorgeous that's also why they are called "exotic" cars. Their engineering is excessive to provide the best aerodynamics, downforce, handling, and power with the smallest displacement engines. the vette stayed true to american ideals and remained simple but classy with V8 muscle.

I would just like to point out that the GTR blew away the z06, 911 and many other super cars in the nueremburg track by over 4 seconds on the lap time.... In fact, it is in 4th or 5th place for the track record...

Anyhow, think about it this way. Nissan has been taking off due to their cheap sedans. Now imagine how much money they spent on creating the GTR (research and development on this car started in 2003 or something). Nissan is only selling a handful of these cars and at a very reasonable price (80K).

Supercars don't make money. Its the cheap, reliable, gas efficient sedans that do make money. Look at it this way. VW owns audi. VW makes the cheaper cars. Audi makes the more expensive cars. VW makes way more profits that audi does.

was that the c5 or c6 corvette....


Cuz I guerrentee in a straight line the c6 corvette would be way up the list in speed and accerleration.... Good ol american car.... Straight lines.... But those 7L are just **** ridiculas, especiallly the Lifgenwelter r w/e it's called....

THe c5 with the 5.7L does alright, i've drive a few different ones and they are fast, but I'm still itching to try out the 7L.....

The 7's are stupid fast.

The GTR beat the Veyron, all Ferraris but the Enzo I believe, all porches except the Carrera GT, and yes the C6 Z06 also.

The original question was about another power car from Mitsubishi. The reason they don't is like many have said the Evo is the power car. In a manufacturer's market certain classes of cars are made. Compact, mid-sized, luxury, SUV, Truck, and sport. Yes some are mixed. The Evo, the STI (sport sedan), and not all classes are met in every manufacturer. Plans have to be drawn out, machines have to be built or recalibrated if no new plant is built. The creation of a new car that might not sell very well is not appealing if you have to build a new plant that costs 8 million dollars. It's also not appealing if you have to pause the production of cars that are selling to produce one that might sell. You have to pay designers, programmers, workers, to produce something that you might get the money back for. Also I think EMC touched on this. Another car may require a new platform.
Basically it's just not worth their money to have two power cars that cost double when you don't have double the demand.