question??? with the raising gas prices I've been thinking about using the E85 gas instead of unleaded (about a $1.25 per gallon difference were i live) does the 08 lancer work with that gas? i know it burns hotter and if your engine isn't rated for that kind of fuel it will kill the life of your engine. anyone know the answer to that???

thanks

NO

well crap... thanks Simmo

Hmm... your engine also burns hotter when you are running a rich fuel mixture... and running rich means you have more fuel than oxygen during combustion.

E85 = Burning hotter
Burning hotter = Running rich
Running rich = Using more gas than you need

If A = B and B = C and C = D, then A = D

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So, how exactly are we saving more money by using E85?!?

none of that is correct.

rich mixtures create cooler combustion temps. lean mixtures cause high combustion temps.
e-85 does contain less energy per gallon, but its still cheaper (albiet only a little) when you figure the cost vs. fuel used.
e-85 has one large advantage over gasoline, though, but its only available if the car is tuned for it as e-85 is far more resistant to detonation as its octane rating and flashpoint is much higher.


heres a small cut-n-paste for you
5:1: Rich burn limit due to excess fuel. Combustion is weak or erratic

6-9:1: Extremely rich mixture. Engine will produce black smoke and low power.

10-11:1: Very rich. Some supercharged engines run in this range at full power to control detonation.

12-13:1: Rich. This slightly rich mixture produces the best power for unsupercharged engines. When you read engine dyno charts for performance engines particularly, maximum power will usually be found in this A/F range.

14-15:1: A 14.6:1 A/F ratio is considered stoichiometric, which is chemically ideal. Theoretically, there's no excess fuel or oxygen remaining after combustion. This is the A/F ratio that the ECU in an EFI equipped car is trying to maintain. Overall, this range is best for part throttle cruise.

16-17:1: This lean mixture is the best A/F ratio for economy. It can be borderline for part throttle, since this lean mixture is unstable and prone to detonation. THis ratio is worse if EGR is used.

18-19:1: Very lean ratio. It's considered the upper limit of drivelability. If the ratio is any leaner, detonation will occur, if it hasn't already!!

Interesting... who would have known that adding more fuel to the fire would actually make it cooler?

Well, aside from you manybrews, of course.

Want an E-85 car, buy a Dodge or GM. They actually endorse using E85 as part of their set-up. I think you can actually use a mixture of 85 with regular gasoline as well.

Remember the movie "Back to the Future 2", when Doc Brown used Banana Peels and Soda Cans for fuel. Agh, now there's an idea.
Let's all buy Deloreans.

Yes Manybrews, I know it won't work. Sorry for the off TOP.

manybrews is right..
your looking at the situation the wrong way..running rich is using more fuel but its not the same concept as "adding more fuel to the fire"...running rich can also cause you to foul spark plugs more quickly causing you to have to replace them more often as well..if you have ever tuned any kind of engine you will find that out..running lean is the worst you can do for a motor..theres really nothing too horrible that can come from running a little too rich..outside of fouling a few plugs. that is as long as the car is fuel injected like ours and not carb.
if its a carb. motor you could cause the motor to choke out when you hit the throttle if your running too rich because your not getting the right fuel to air ratio and you idle will be rougher eventually choking the motor if you dont first by touching the throttle.
i know kinda off topic but i dont want someone to think im saying running rich is a good thing..because its not. its just slightly safer of the two.


but either way on our car, it all leads back to the big fat NO simmo layed down for ya in the first reply.

Just wait till Honda FCX Clarity comes out.