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post May 28 2008, 02:53 PM
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my 03 gts' tranny runs near perfect (there is a mild gronning when i back-up, but it isn't that bad)... and in the autostick mode there is a long delay from 1st to 2nd, so if i wanna shift at 4500rpm i have to push it up at arround 4000.. it only does it from 1st to 2nd.. it is not a huge deal, but i hope it is not a sign of worse things to come... anyone eles have this problem???
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post May 28 2008, 04:29 PM
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first thing, i haven't heard any transmission that doesn't naturally have a whine sound from reverse. they all tend to get it, and its very common. manual shifting your auto transmission seems to always have a bit of lag. as far as yours, first you need to think about the last time you had your transmission fluid changed. if you did it yourself did you also change the filter for it? nearly all people just drain their trans, then fill it back up without changing the filter. if this is the case you may have a filter clog that is obstructing flow. this can cause transmission gear lag.

if what i have recommended is no the case then your looking at a possible transmission computer problem. these need to be tested by a respectable shop or else they may recommend you go to their sister shop that specializes in transmissions and tell you that you need a new transmission. also take a look in your repair manual and test anything you can test without doing too major of work. i don't recommend anyone who is not experienced with transmissions doing too much work on them. they are very complex components and truly need someone who knows what they are doing to work on them.
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post May 28 2008, 06:09 PM
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There is a delay because the auto stick is a toy and not a true auto stick like found on the new EVO.
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post May 28 2008, 10:25 PM
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True Emc and bulletbike, also how does it drive in normal auto.Does it run stong when you just punch it and let it shift itself?Any unnatural lag there?
FYI the joystick is pretty much useless,I think Ive used mine 2 or 3 times and actually cant stand the false feeling of control over shifts.
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well he was looking for possibilities of transmission problems.

ok going :offtopic: here, but:
no doubt, those fake manuals are only for track use on down shifting, not for up shifting bra. if you want some good up shift just punch your pedal to the floor it neutrals at pretty much the perfect RPM and re-engages at the perfect RPM. sport-tronic shifting is not for drag purposes, its for down shifting for the corners.

i wish they would just put in a down shift switch and a drive switch, that way no one would get confused on what the purpose of the sport-tronic was for. i mean yeah its great if you know what gear your supposed to stay in for a corner, but if your have the know how of where your pedal should be for the corner, it would not be needed. kick it over to sport-tronic shift with drive and down shift, and then feather the pedal on a corner and everyone would be set, i guess its to make inexperienced drivers feel like their in control.

if your looking for the best possible acceleration you should just keep it in drive and push the pedal to the floor, but if your running a track that would be the only reason to kick it over to sport-tronic drive. now if your looking to feel like you have a stick, go out and find a 5 speed version of your car. if thats to hard for you, learn to deal with the fact you have a automatic.
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post May 29 2008, 04:34 AM
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QUOTE(bullet_bike_syke69 @ May 29 2008, 12:45 AM)
well he was looking for possibilities of transmission problems.

ok going  :offtopic: here, but:
no doubt, those fake manuals are only for track use on down shifting, not for up shifting bra. if you want some good up shift just punch your pedal to the floor it neutrals at pretty much the perfect RPM and re-engages at the perfect RPM. sport-tronic shifting is not for drag purposes, its for down shifting for the corners.

i wish they would just put in a down shift switch and a drive switch, that way no one would get confused on what the purpose of the sport-tronic was for. i mean yeah its great if you know what gear your supposed to stay in for a corner, but if your have the know how of where your pedal should be for the corner, it would not be needed. kick it over to sport-tronic shift with drive and down shift, and then feather the pedal on a corner and everyone would be set, i guess its to make inexperienced drivers feel like their in control.

if your looking for the best possible acceleration you should just keep it in drive and push the pedal to the floor, but if your running a track that would be the only reason to kick it over to sport-tronic drive. now if your looking to feel like you have a stick, go out and find a 5 speed version of your car. if thats to hard for you, learn to deal with the fact you have a automatic.
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Yea but on automatics leaving it in drive is not always the best way for the best acceleration and power.

Bobthecow told me once that when he took his 3g to the track, he ran against a 2000 something Grand Am GT with the 3400 engine in it, and the guy put it in the low gear and shifted it up himself and beat him by about 3 1/2 cars I believe. Now I raced one on the highway in my car and beat him the entire way when he just left it in drive and punched it. There is much more to getting the best performance out of an automatic than just sticking it in drive and flooring the gas believe it or not.
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post May 29 2008, 08:00 AM
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QUOTE(silver03GS @ May 29 2008, 04:34 AM)
Yea but on automatics leaving it in drive is not always the best way for the best acceleration and power.

Bobthecow told me once that when he took his 3g to the track, he ran against a 2000 something Grand Am GT with the 3400 engine in it, and the guy put it in the low gear and shifted it up himself and beat him by about 3 1/2 cars I believe. Now I raced one on the highway in my car and beat him the entire way when he just left it in drive and punched it. There is much more to getting the best performance out of an automatic than just sticking it in drive and flooring the gas believe it or not.
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Im gunna agree with u on the not always leaving it in auto. :clap:
but you never know that Grand am might have had some mods and you wouldnt really even know it unless you knew excatly wht you were looking for. theres always that possiblity. just had to say it was getting on my nerves lol
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post May 29 2008, 09:25 AM
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Some cars will not redline when left in full auto....

last time I checked the eclipse will.
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post May 29 2008, 10:12 AM
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And yes im agreeing with EMC 3000gt becasue i have an eclipse and yes it does redline when left in auto
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post May 29 2008, 11:27 AM
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So eclipse leave in "D" FTW

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QUOTE(GTPman @ May 29 2008, 08:00 AM)
Im gunna agree with u on the not always leaving it in auto. :clap:
but you never know that Grand am might have had some mods and you wouldnt really even know it unless you knew excatly wht you were looking for. theres always that possiblity. just had to say it was getting on my nerves lol
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It's always a possibility but bobthecow said it was stock. But either way there's more to it then just flooring it in drive.
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QUOTE(EMC 3000gt @ May 29 2008, 11:27 AM)
So eclipse leave in "D" FTW
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Yes on eclipses. Maybe on other cars, just depends on your tranny really.
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QUOTE(silver03GS @ May 29 2008, 12:12 PM)
It's always a possibility but bobthecow said it was stock. But either way there's more to it then just flooring it in drive.
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if ur going from a roll then down shift to 2nd gear (just depends on how fast your going) it feels like it takes off faster then just flooring it in "D" because the car then has to down shift on its own and you can down shift faster if you do it by urself. so down shift with stick then slap into "D" :bwekk:
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post May 29 2008, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE(silver03GS @ May 29 2008, 02:34 AM)
Yea but on automatics leaving it in drive is not always the best way for the best acceleration and power.

Bobthecow told me once that when he took his 3g to the track, he ran against a 2000 something Grand Am GT with the 3400 engine in it, and the guy put it in the low gear and shifted it up himself and beat him by about 3 1/2 cars I believe. Now I raced one on the highway in my car and beat him the entire way when he just left it in drive and punched it. There is much more to getting the best performance out of an automatic than just sticking it in drive and flooring the gas believe it or not.
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that is because the Grand am/Grand Prix/Oldsmobile Alero has a gas saving transmission setting. i could drive the freeway miles for about 380 miles. in town especially with how i drive i couldn't get past 250 to the tank. it switches the gears at about 4200 at full throttle with about 1200 more RPM to go in the power band. its a family car remember? not a sports compact. a simple ECU flash to change this setting would make those cars dramatically faster, but its meant for 33 year old soccer mom milfs and mid-life crisis men who want a sporty looking family sedan. not exactly set up for racing.

the sport-tronic transmission in the 3G is set up more for power than economy will red line in drive when you are pushing full throttle. the sad thing is this: the 3400 series engine in those cars are just plain sick. yeah pretty bad when a 170 HP 3.4L V6 beats out a 200HP 3.0L V6 huh? i like my 2001 eclipse RS, but i loved my 2004 Oldsmobile Alero. i bet i could have stomped you in that car. i had the 3400 series motor with a WAI and a high flow muffler, i don't think i raced against another V6 that could beat me, unless it was a 5 speed or was turbo'd or supercharged.
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post May 29 2008, 09:55 PM
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I really dont like the sporttronic I felt like Im driving a powerwheel when I, Id def go with a manuel if I could go back,how do you guys redline the auto in drive?Mine upshifts at 5600 RPMs and will not go higher?Rev limiter or what?
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QUOTE(bullet_bike_syke69 @ May 29 2008, 07:05 PM)
that is because the Grand am/Grand Prix/Oldsmobile Alero has a gas saving transmission setting. i could drive the freeway miles for about 380 miles. in town especially with how i drive i couldn't get past 250 to the tank. it switches the gears at about 4200 at full throttle with about 1200 more RPM to go in the power band. its a family car remember? not a sports compact. a simple ECU flash to change this setting would make those cars dramatically faster, but its meant for 33 year old soccer mom milfs and mid-life crisis men who want a sporty looking family sedan. not exactly set up for racing.
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That's not true my brother had a Grand Am GT with the 3400 series V6 and when you left it in drive and floored it it shifted right at the redline. And that was the same car I raced was a Grand Am GT. So I don't know how it happened, but it did.

And I've beaten Aleros also that have the 3400 series in them. Maybe not yours since you did work to it, but stock ones I've beaten and I've been in one of those too and when you floor it in D it still shifts at redline just like the Grand Am GT that I raced.
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i had a 2004 so maybe my transmission settings were screwed up and his weren't. performance wise i only had a WAI which i had to build from universal piping off of ebay. (thanks ebay your my only friend! lol j/k) and i bought a platinum high flow muffler for it as well...... man did the roar of that engine make me feel warm inside!!!! i get goose bumps thinking about it.

i get sick and tired of the same old bee's in a can sound from my 4 cylinder (don't go hatin on me everyone you know its true, no matter what we do to our 4 cylinders they do sound like that)

4 cylinder = bees in a can
6 cylinder = nice medium raor
8 cylinder = semi deafening roar
10 cylinder = ear plugs or you will end up deaf
12 cylinder = those euro super cars always sound like a bullet bike with no muffler

pretty funny how the fastest street legal production car in the world is a American made V8 TT AWD SSC Shelby too bad the guys at top gear refuse to have it on their show, pansies. they even talked about it on the show, but no road test so far.
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QUOTE(bullet_bike_syke69 @ May 29 2008, 07:05 PM)
that is because the Grand am/Grand Prix/Oldsmobile Alero has a gas saving transmission setting. i could drive the freeway miles for about 380 miles. in town especially with how i drive i couldn't get past 250 to the tank. it switches the gears at about 4200 at full throttle with about 1200 more RPM to go in the power band. its a family car remember? not a sports compact. a simple ECU flash to change this setting would make those cars dramatically faster, but its meant for 33 year old soccer mom milfs and mid-life crisis men who want a sporty looking family sedan. not exactly set up for racing.

the sport-tronic transmission in the 3G is set up more for power than economy will red line in drive when you are pushing full throttle. the sad thing is this: the 3400 series engine in those cars are just plain sick. yeah pretty bad when a 170 HP 3.4L V6 beats out a 200HP 3.0L V6 huh? i like my 2001 eclipse RS, but i loved my 2004 Oldsmobile Alero. i bet i could have stomped you in that car. i had the 3400 series motor with a WAI and a high flow muffler, i don't think i raced against another V6 that could beat me, unless it was a 5 speed or was turbo'd or supercharged.
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i kno that the Grand prix has a performance shift button that makes it shift exactly at the redline. with out it it shifts at like 4500 (dont quote me on that)
cuz my buddy has a 97 Grand prix
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QUOTE(bullet_bike_syke69 @ May 30 2008, 02:43 AM)
i had a 2004 so maybe my transmission settings were screwed up and his weren't. performance wise i only had a WAI which i had to build from universal piping off of ebay. (thanks ebay your my only friend! lol j/k) and i bought a platinum high flow muffler for it as well...... man did the roar of that engine make me feel warm inside!!!! i get goose bumps thinking about it.

i get sick and tired of the same old bee's in a can sound from my 4 cylinder (don't go hatin on me everyone you know its true, no matter what we do to our 4 cylinders they do sound like that)

4 cylinder = bees in a can
6 cylinder = nice medium raor
8 cylinder = semi deafening roar
10 cylinder = ear plugs or you will end up deaf
12 cylinder = those euro super cars always sound like a bullet bike with no muffler

pretty funny how the fastest street legal production car in the world is a American made V8 TT AWD SSC Shelby too bad the guys at top gear refuse to have it on their show, pansies. they even talked about it on the show, but no road test so far.
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I never get tired of the way my flowmaster muffler sounds on my GS. I personally love the sound of it. Now a Honda engine does grow tiresome after awhile but not mine. It's nice and mellow, except when you step on it then it just sounds angry.

And like I said I don't know exactly how the tranny's in those cars work, but I do know that I was able to beat one of them and my brother's didn't have that gas saving function on his tranny. But oh well it's not really that important.
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