I don't want this to turn into the auto vs stick argument. It is just for discussion on aftermarket items for the auto trans

I've been in contact with a very nice guy who has developed a manual shift box for the auto trans dsms(1g and 2g) that is very similar to the IPT manual shift box but much cheaper. I also like his design better.

The easiest way to understand what it does is to think of it like an auto stick you can install on your car. You install the box, put your car in drive, flip the on switch and when you push a button it shifts up and when you push another button it shifts down.

the only difference is that, so far, you can't control the lock up clutch or shift pressure with his like you can the IPT version. HOWEVER, his is $165 and the IPT version is $569 not to mention he is working on a way to incorporate those options into his box. This will also appeal to the guys who don't like autos for road course or rally racing.

I've invited him to join our forum to add some input on how these things work. I haven't bought it just yet (but i'm sure I will very soon) to let anyone know how it works. He has had some others use it on other forums like DSMTuners and DSMTrend, and those people have nothing but good things to say.

Any thoughts?

I don't understand it.

Sounds interesting to me. so basically its like a manual except there is no clutch to control how fast you shift and how harsh it is?

watch this vid
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LvuVcpNxZQ0

I think that is the actual vid for the first design he came up with. the newer design uses only 2 buttons though. 1 for upshift the other for downshift. It's like a indy car or a paddle shift car. No clutch, no stick just buttons.

This is IPT's description. It might help:
The IPT Electro-Matic offers you the ability to shift your automatic like a stick!

With this module, which is mounted in the vehicle cockpit, each gear is selected via a push button and lock- up clutch operation is controlled via a toggle switch- the end user has complete control of all transmission upshifts and downshifts

This controller is ideal for road racing, drag racing and street/strip usage. The IPT Elecrto-Matic is also particularly well suited for applications where a stand alone engine management system with no provision for controlling an automatic transmission is utilized. This is the NEW switchable version which enables the user to easily toggle between stock TCU control and Full Manual operation

Whats the delay time between shifts?

my guess is it's the time between, once the signal is sent from the box to the TCU telling it to shift, to the time it takes for the trans to build pressure to make that shift. As of this point in his design the shifts are at 100% pressure, non adjustable.

So all this does is put buttons on your steering wheel to control the stock transmission with the stock TCU?

no, the buttons are on a box, not on steering wheel. he is trying different ways to build inputs for people to be able to use buttons mounted on their steering wheel but you have the basic concept. It's like the new evo's, paddle shifter clutchless transaxles

it installs like an AFC to the TCU. it can control any transmission that uses the stock TCU, even a full race/street transmission

So it shifts faster,harder, the same?

Get his @ss on this forum I have questions!!!

i m really intrested in this might sound better than doin the 5 speed swap get him on here

working on it. harder, yes. faster, don't know.

roadsurge.com is the website but since he is in the stages of construction the first page is the only thing to read. but still enticing. I have been in contact with the owner and am TRYING to get him here but don't know if he has joined anything other than DSMTrend or DSMTuners just yet.


visit here: http://dsmtrend.com/showthread.php?t=7

I think the problem with the Auto is the time delay between shifts.

yea i agree. that was the only thing i don't like about it so far. It is too much like an auto stick in that when you push the button it delays then shifts. You almost have to anticipate your shift 500rpm sooner

Ok everyone :) I am here. If you have questions about the shift boxes, feel free to ask.

To answer most questions already mentioned......

The delay between shifts is NOT noticeable when driving the car. The delay is approximately 50 to 100 RPM's. The 4 button shifter (which I no longer make) was a little slower than the 2 button shifter.

The 2 button shifter is all digital and has no moving parts which makes it more durable and long lasting. It will more than likely outlast every talon on the road :P It has a digital readout on the box showing what gear you are in.

With the 2 button shifter, there is an external jack where you can wire in your own paddle shifter or straight shift design. It is very simple!

EDIT : Believe it or not.... firmer shifts are actually better since the clutches in the transmission do not slip into gear. It is advisable to get better mounts though.

Ok, let me know what you all think :)
Tim

This post has been edited by EagleTalonTim: Jun 3 2008, 04:17 PM

So it shifts faster harder and gives the driver more control over the whole shifting situation.


good deal

Yep, you are correct. I will post a video on youtube as soon as I can with the 2 button shifter.

Tim

How much stress does this put on the transmission?

Not much more than normal. I have been driving with the shift boxes for about 9 months now and have not had a single problem. Once you drive with the shift box for a little bit, you get used to the shift points based on acceleration and you are able to drive smoother. I am working on a feature that allows adjustable shift pressure, but things are on hold till I can afford more R&D. I also will have to redesign the PCB's to match with the new features. I personally like the 2 button shifter as it is now, but some may want more options. The only other option available now is the ability to switch from manual to auto mode with a flip of a switch.

:00000732: Tim! Thank you for coming on board. I have received a few pm's with questions I wasn't able to answer. I will refer them back to this topic.

If you have questions guys fire away, he is very helpful! :beer:

how much are you currently asking. i know it was 169.