Has anybody been able to break the tires loose shifting into second in a 2009?

So far I've seen two separate 09 GTS's with 5-speeds. Neither of them are able to "chirp" or break the tires loose shifting into second at high rpm.

On top of that, any quick shifting (engaging, switching, stamping the gas, and letting off the clutch quickly -- all within less than 3/4 of a second) doesn't have the same result as every other manual transmission car I've driven, or been a passenger of.

Both my GTS and the other one just slowly drop the RPM until the transmission and flywheel are sync'd. It's making it appear like I'm poorly clutching between gears. This even has nothing to do with red-lineing it. It happens between 2nd and 3rd, and 3rd and 4th at 3-4k RPMs. Just quick shift and drop off the clutch instantly .. and it doesn't appear to engage instantly. It takes upwards of almost a second to start increasing the RPMs in the next gear. Since there's two that do it there, they won't even begin to check it for malfunction.

RSX, Mazda6, RX-7, Cavalier Z24, hell, even an Accent GT.. they've all been able to break loose into second, and some even in third. Mind you, those were all cable-driven clutches.

Is there some sort of issue here? The second one I was a test drive party to after I brought up this "quirk" with the dealership did the same thing, albeit for a shorter period and less loud (that one had 50km as opposed to my 1800km).

So I checked with another dealership in the city, and he told me that it was because Mitsubishi made this particular car "easier to drive" and "less abrupt" when changing gears -- "smoother". Apparently, he says, it was because earlier versions of the Lancer had people burning out clutches and tires. He hasn't been able to break one loose into 2nd either. He added that another person came in earlier that had a previous generation RalliArt and went up for the 09 GTS, and was complaining about the same issue.

Is this really normal for this car? I see it making people look like a newbie to manual transmissions when they're doing 1/8 or 1/4 mile runs at a track, since it sounds like you're feathering out the clutch.

... but most importantly, is there a fix? It's on factory warranty, so that's probably impossible.. but the hope is important too.

add: Is this ECU related?

If I'm being cryptic, I'll attempt to record some footage.

[edited for additional thought direction and better grammar]

ive made it chirp when shifting to second. It doesn't happen always but it does happen. with the stock tires it shou;d happen more. I just upgrades my wheels and got performance tires that grip more and now it happens rarely but it still happens. :beer:

My 09 GTS does the same thing! Does sound and feel funny. The only way I have made them "cherp" was when i am going round a corner shift hard into second. Thought it was just my car. Apparently not.

It is not because of the clutch being hydraulic. Eclipses are hydraulic and they chirp. But like mits said... they did something.

I bought an 09 GTS about a month and a half ago. I've put about 6500 km's on it. So far I've managed to chirp going into 2nd and once or twice into third, both times double clutching, letting the clutch out evenly but quickly (about half a second shift, not dropping but smoothing out the clutch while pushing on gas)

Haven't had the slow shift problem you're having yet

I did this shifting into 4th lol. What i did was i shifted out of 3rd and rev'ed the gas and then shifted into 4th and my tires started spinning for a good bit and then they caught. I was surprised the car could do it. Remember they you have to be in 4th gear or whatever gear when letting out the clutch with high RPM's to chirp your tires like i did. It s almost like doing a burnout while driving on the road.

HA! I can get the tires to do a little chirping with my CVT going into second when manually shiftin!

No loose gravel needed or banana peels....snow, ect...just the raw power of my briggs & straton 2.0 :grin:

I got mine to chirp the first day i drove it (first day i ever drove stick) haha it was into second and i think it was just because i didn't kno how to drive manual but i actually tried the other day and i couldn't get it to either.

+1

I still have not been able to do it between gears, but she lights them up instantly in 1st at 3-3.5k off the line.

I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the semi-poor throttle response of the vehicle. While the WAI has quickened it up a bit, it still lags. I tried to correct for this during hard acceleration and quick shifts by getting on the gas an instant before I re-engage the clutch after the gear change, but still not luck. I also tried power-shifting it, but that failed to do it as well. However, there was no lag or slow engagement. Not about to do it again, though. Something tells me the drivetrain of this particular car can't handle it well.

Unless something is wrong with your car, its a driver issues. Not trying to insult you, its a matter of driving the car based on its characteristics.

Try accel from first (grip, don't spin). get the RPM up to around 6. Off the gas, clutch (the lancer clutch is pretty shallow, an inch or two will engage it). hit the gas (bring RPM back up to 5-6, I normally don't look, just listen so I'm not sure the exact range) then back off the clutch quickly and smoothly. It takes a bit of practice, but it works.

If you're getting a lurch but no spin, you're probably revving to low or dropping your clutch to fast.

I'm not getting a lurch, as I've said, the RPMs just slowly drop off without the engine "racing". While I am fully willing to admit I don't have a huge load of experience in these sort of situations, those around me do. Professional drivers, fabricators, people who have had performance compacts and full sized sedans (Mazda6 GT) have more experience and they've been unable to do it as well.

There's no evidence of instant engagement in a high load (3k+ rpm) situation when you let off the clutch quickly. It's as if the clutch is slowly engaging, but even with the gas pedal completely down, the engine doesn't race (hence, it's not slipping).

I'm guessing I'll have to make some video of this in order to properly demonstrate the issue. I'm thinking more and more that it's an throttle response issue. A WAI just serves to make it more apparent, via the increased sound volume.

Sounds like there is something wrong with your car. I'd take it to the dealer and get it checked out.

That's what I originally thought, and subsequently did. However, they took another one out that had 50km on it, and tried it. That one did the exact same thing. And since they had another that does it, they refuse warranty and said the first thing Mitsubishi would do is have them try it on another. If it did the same thing, it's not a warrantable issue.

So I went to the other dealer in town, and he already knew what I was talking about -- as he said had a guy come in earlier that traded up from the earlier year Ralliart trim to an 09 GTS and he was "complaining" about the same issue. To this dealer, I did not inform that I already had one -- but was looking at getting one and heard about this problem. He risked a sale right there by telling me that it does this, which normally goes against dealer ettiquette.

Maybe I'll come across some footage some day of somebody actually being able to do it. Sounds like it's by design until then.

My wheels spin in the high rev range of first gear

Oh I can get plenty of first gear wheel spin from about 3k all the way up to red line if I instantly drop the clutch from a stand still, but even if I quick shift, they won't break loose into second regardless of RPMs (even if the shift into second keeps them above 5k).

I re-edited the original thread to try and single out 2009s only, because it's possible that something was changed inbetween the two years. Unfortunately I couldn't edit the thread title. It's possible they changed the clutch mechanics when they overbored the 2.0L block from 2008 to create the 2.4L for 2009. Then again, maybe not.

My 5speed chirps when shifting from 1st to 2nd ;] even when tires are cold.
however mine is a '08 ;]

After reading this thread i went out driving and was successful in getting the tires to chirp fairly easy. If you want to make it really easy to make them chirp just lower your tire pressure. I had a friend who drove around with low tire pressure just so he could chirp the tires in his sunfire

Driving with low PSI is bad for your tires. The treads will wear out much quicker and your mileage will suffer.

... Then again, if you are driving around just to chirp your tires, you are already doing the above two. :bwekk:

Keep "Chirpin" when you shift into second and you will end up tearing something up like I did. And then if you do, dont take it to a mechanic who says "theyre good" cause when they fixed my problem they made it worse! Now I have to put a new trannsmission in my car