hey y'all i have come across a snafu. it seems the local dsm dealer only hires retards and crackheads so no-one at the parts desk knows what a fuel pump relay is...i told him location,purpose and everything, but without a part number he is basically use-less...and they seem dis-pleased at the concept of me fixing my own car in the first place, but why would i let folks that dont know what a fuel pump relay is work on my car?

basically i came to the conclusion the relays i need are the 2 on the firewall between the battery and steering wheel...2 relays connected with a metal bracket. and since they are connected and dont seem to come off the brackett i assume i gotta get them both, but thats cool i was gonna anyway.

so what i need from you guys an gals, if you or a friend has a 97 with a 420a go look at those relays i just described and find me a parts number if you have a few spare minutes please. i will be eternally gratefull....see mine have a 5 digit matching number on both relays...and they said at the dealership it is not a part number and it shows nothing when they type the number in. i am quite sure its o.e.m. an it came on the car. he said to bring it down and he could try to match it, but i am a bit leery of trusting thier judgement. so if mine is a replacement already and someone knows the original part number, or what i need to ask for exactly so i can know for sure if they have it. i dont want to go all the way to the dealership to find out i have no choice but to hit a junkyard,lol

go to a dodge dealership, they will know exactly what you are talking about.

oh, one more thing, you might have to tell them it's a talon because if they know its a mitsu they might send you back to the mitsu dealer.:thumbsup:

They might send you back to mits any way, took a talon in for something and was told to go to mitsubishi.

My experience with the fuel pump relay is it costs more then the engine relay that is next to it. The only difference is that they both are keyed different so you cant switch the plugs around. My suggestion is buy the engine relay pop it apart and put just the internals in your fuel pump relay box.

Oh and if they dont know what a fuel pump relay is then I think its time for you to start to look for a different dealer to goto. As pwee said goto a dodge dealership and say its for a talon esi. I had to do that for a backup light switch. The local mitsu dealer that i will goto (because I have only gotten attitude problems from the other one looking for parts) would have had to order it and sometimes it takes forever to get parts with them. The Dodge dealer had the part in stock.

call 866 663 7788

press 1 for mitsubishi

ask for jeff

tell him what you have and what you need. He will find what you need.

thanx y'all. yeah i had a hard enought time even finding a mitsu dealer, there arent any in houston anymore, just baytown and conroe. the baytown one is close, but they were not even a dealership when my car was made. and everyone that works there is ate up with the dumbness. thats why i was like...if i have the number even a monkey can find the part.

and i will call that # you gave me EMC, thanx.

be careful it might be a sex hotline :banana: j/k :P

ITs a dealership in cherry hill NJ but Jeff knows his stuff and has been a helping mitsubishi owners out for a long time.

Pwee, I only forward those numbers to you and the cow. ;)

FTW! :beer:

lol well sex hotline might end up bein what i need too cuz i cant drive nowhere an get laid till i fix this car :-)

pwee would you believe me if i said the dodge dealership is more inept then the mitsu dealer. they need you guys to go work for them an stuff.


oh and what i thought was my fuel pump relay turns out to be the 5 spped tranny relay. so i guess i have yet to figure out where it actually is. i got the 2 that were connected by a bracket on the drivers side of the firewall between the battery and the steering wheel. so those are the wrong ones, i am lost, because every relay i think is the one i am looking for turns out to be something else.

time to phone jersey,lol

All I promise is that he can find parts like its his job. And he will give you a good price.

the one of those two that is closest to the fender should be the one you are looking for

yup i called that number and they found my parts number no problem. jeff wasnt in but whoever was did know his stuff. and those were the right relays, just whoever looked it up at the one here in town is a ***** and didn't know what he was talking about. these are totally the right ones.

if its not the relays, i need to check the pump to see if it comes on when i hit it with juice.

so my next silly newb question, where is this alleged fuel pump test connector that the haynes manual ellude to/ its harder to find then the g-spot for a dwarf.

or is there another way, i dont wanna do it wrong an blow me and the car up,lol

LMAO!! im sryy that made me laugh so hard...

its that thing you put the key in and turn forward to start the engine :P

i've never heard of the fuel pump test connector unless it means the nipple on the end of the fuel rail.

once you get the new relay in turn the key to the on position. don't crank it just yet. if you hear a buzz from under the back seat that's your fuel pump turning on. it will only last for 2 seconds so be ready to listen :thumbsup:

lol pwee, good one :-)

yeah it shows it in the haynes manual for a 1g model and i fond it on my neighbors 1g, but its somewhere else on 2 g's (if its even there..i am with you pwee i dont think our 2gs have them) but it shows a shoddily drawn illustration thats more a rorshach test then a diagram,lol i was kind of wondering if thats what that little pigtail was on the wires before they get to the e.c.u.... because it looks like the same connector as the one on the pump itself and it has nothing to connect to.

i am almost afraid its gonna end up being my ecu. i dont have spark and the relays i changed didnt make the pump kick on either. of course they were not new relays so i might have just got some new bad ones. a dude down the road sold me his, because he had gotten new ones and his problem turned out to be the ecu was shot.

oh yeah an if the pump goes out will that kill my spark as well?

It should not kill your spark.

yup i actually found a local parts house that had a spiffy little device to check a relay....both of mine were fine. so is there anything else that would keep it from getting spark or fuel aside from the relays and the ecu?

everything works except for the fuel pump and it wont get spark. turns over fine, power everything works. it just wont start.

so i guess unless y'all got anymore ideas for me i am doomed to get a new ecu...

and if that dont fix it, i am going to stop watching anime and dating asian girls. because japan is pizzing me off ,lol

and i have the seat out and the fuel pump cover off an i still dont hear that fuel pump. i could just take it out and check it off the battery i guess, but from what brother emc says i should still have spark so i am pretty sure its not my pump.