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| KiT TeUnG 2549 |
Jul 2 2008, 10:28 PM
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Its not really about moving it to another location. The fault he has is with his oxygen sensor located before the catalytic converter , the one where on teh original exhaust manifold it was higher on the collector pipe. The O2 sensor trick is used mainlly on the rear HO2 sensor located after the catalytic converter , the thing is when using a higher flow catalytic converter , the rear HO2 sensor will accumalate a higher range of heat due to the higher flow of air at lower rpm's which is higher than the stock variable limits. The HO2 sensor trick moves the sensor , depending on the non fouler used, out of the high flow of hot exhaust air , bringing a lower stream of air directed at the HO2 sensor bringing it back to a stock sensor range.
The problem is that with his sensor before the catalytic converter is that is i am correct by the code that he said he was showing up , is that its not getting enough heat. The old manifold the sensor sat flush in the manifold putting the tip of the sensor directly in the stream of air . But the fitting that is welded into the headers down pipe is not allowing the HO2 sensor to be far enough in the stream of air.
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| silver03GS |
Jul 3 2008, 02:41 AM
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QUOTE(KiT TeUnG 2549 @ Jul 2 2008, 10:28 PM) Its not really about moving it to another location. The fault he has is with his oxygen sensor located before the catalytic converter , the one where on teh original exhaust manifold it was higher on the collector pipe. The O2 sensor trick is used mainlly on the rear HO2 sensor located after the catalytic converter , the thing is when using a higher flow catalytic converter , the rear HO2 sensor will accumalate a higher range of heat due to the higher flow of air at lower rpm's which is higher than the stock variable limits. The HO2 sensor trick moves the sensor , depending on the non fouler used, out of the high flow of hot exhaust air , bringing a lower stream of air directed at the HO2 sensor bringing it back to a stock sensor range. The problem is that with his sensor before the catalytic converter is that is i am correct by the code that he said he was showing up , is that its not getting enough heat. The old manifold the sensor sat flush in the manifold putting the tip of the sensor directly in the stream of air . But the fitting that is welded into the headers down pipe is not allowing the HO2 sensor to be far enough in the stream of air. Which is why SC Customs said he needed to extend the O2 sensor.
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| SC-CUSTOMS |
Jul 3 2008, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE(KiT TeUnG 2549 @ Jul 3 2008, 05:58 AM) Extend to where????? Yu can extend all yu want by adding wire. That wont help the element part of the sensor frum being farther inside of the exhaust system. e are not talking about extending it farther down the exhaust system , the element needs to be farther INSIDE the exhaust area. Ive put up a badly drawn bitmap that should illustrate my point. Yes, I'm referring to extending the wires so you can re-route the o2 sensor to be at another point in the exhaust system (farther down). Jesus - I didn't think it would have to be spoonfed. When you remove the OEM manifolds and pre-cats and install a header (or headers) depending on I4 or V6, you are removing those pre-cats. The sensor(s) that used to be before the precat you relocate to be just before a HFC after the collector pipes. The sensor(s) that were after the pre-cat, you relocate to after the HFC.
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| KiT TeUnG 2549 |
Jul 3 2008, 02:25 PM
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If that works for yu . Ive never had to extend or rewire anything , All i do is shorten the fitting thats welded in the header for the sensor to screw into , thats it. And screw the sensor in and it screws flush , sensor head sits farther inside, in exhaust stream and problem corrected. But if adding wires and welding in another fitting to put the HO2 sensor in a new place farther downstream then good job.
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| SC-CUSTOMS |
Jul 3 2008, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(KiT TeUnG 2549 @ Jul 3 2008, 02:25 PM) If that works for yu . Ive never had to extend or rewire anything , All i do is shorten the fitting thats welded in the header for the sensor to screw into , thats it. And screw the sensor in and it screws flush , sensor head sits farther inside, in exhaust stream and problem corrected. But if adding wires and welding in another fitting to put the HO2 sensor in a new place farther downstream then good job. It's not what works for me, it's what works for the vehicle and for emissions. I only OWN a shop and know WTF I'm talking about, so thanks for playing.
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| 3gdsmerGS |
Jul 3 2008, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE(Mikeskillz @ Jul 1 2008, 08:00 PM) I'm trying to modify my header so that the O2 sensor doesn't throw a code(P0421).Does anybody know what size spark plug anti fouler i should buy for a 2004 Eclipse GS 2.4l? Thanks for your help. Blox makes something for that i heard it should be universal it will clear any CELS
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