I never argue that the 14b is one hell of a turbo, but like attack said not everyone can make passes like that. the guy that is driving that car is a professional and was very dialed in to his car and set up. I haven't heard what he's been up to since but i'm sure he's doing great.

with that said, he still won't be able to beat a guy with a small 16g or evo III 16g with the same engine build. Even with the 7cm2 housing the 14b will choke on the cold side, that's why he had to shift early. i'm willing to bet he was also running some bad **** fuel, c-16 maybe. I didn't notice if he mentioned meth injection either. I've never been fond of the t28 though, IMO mitsu will always beat garret until you get larger than the mitsu frame

thats some great info wheelhop, especially with the map and calculations. we don't get much of that around here :clap: :beer:

I appreciate the positive comments. I'm not starting a peeing match here. I know what Dan's set up consisted of. I was reinforcing that the 14b has 325whp in it, that most CAN do, if they have basic supporting mods for it; cams, injectors, frontmount, fuel pump, decent intake pipe, good flowing exhaust; or what any 16g merits :) . Dan pushed it farther, but the map shows 34lb/min. So regardless of what Dan did, most can take 34 lb/min to 360ish crank hp. Since the AWD drivetrain soaks up some 30whp, the turbo is definately capable of 325ish whp.

All the 16g turbos are great, and the the big t28 is proven too. And the 14b has several 320+ whp trap speeds listed. Absolutely, Dan would have done better with a 16g. No question. But the 14b isn't some 250whp turbo that's wore out at 15 psi if used with the original posters setup. If he wants 300+ whp, this turbo will deliver.

I'm not a big fan of the garrett turbos either. MHI turbos do flow VERY well for their size from my experience. Better still is a few of the holsets. My h1c spools as fast as my small 16g (I have the dsmlink logs of my car and others: 2.0 and fp2x cams) and it is very similar in flow to an hx35 which is a 50+ lb/min compressor according to the map. The hx35 & h1c turbos are extremely efficient at high boost and spool faster than a big t28 with the .55 a/r bep housing. They also have put down 500whp with typical 500hp mods in that housing. Basically auto-x spool speeds at 50-trim flow levels.

Again, I suggest picking up a used 7cm^2 turbine housing. They can be had for cheap. His 14b will still be very streetable. And reaching the higher limits of the map and higher horsepower will be much easier to attain on pump gas. Since he's already using this turbo now, why not enjoy it :) ?

I heard someone say something about a 400 hp T-28.... Show me, I will buy it.

I think from what i hear (im not an expert on the t28) its pretty hard to get 400 outta the t28. You will need other mods to go along with the t28 on full boost to hit 400.

its the big t28

4g63, are you being serious? It's hard to tell if you are being sarcastic sometimes...

yeah i'm serious some shops call it the big t28 that can make 400hp. can remember what shop it is from all the stuff that has happen today.

Everywhere that has them says they are just good for about 350... isn't that what a normal t-28 is rated for?

yes

I think the big t28 has a different turbine wheel that lets the hot side flow a little more. I don't know for sure though, but i've heard of it putting down the same numbers that attack said

He's absolutely right that the big t28 is a 400whp turbo. The big t28 is not your typical t28 (like found on the sr20). It is this, from Forced Performance. And they mention there that it pushed their stock weight 2g awd to a 119.3 mph 1/4 mile trap speed. This is definately over 400whp.