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How To Get More Torque

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schmidty321 View Member Profile	Jul 29 2008, 02:27 PM Post #1
Full Member Group: Members Posts: 91 Joined: 17-July 08 Member No.: 61,258 Status: Location: pawtucket RI Drives: 1999 mitsubishi eclipse gs oz edition	hey guys i was wondering if there were any ways to get a lil bit more tourqe out of my car with out thorwin carzy money at it

pwee05 View Member Profile	Jul 29 2008, 06:56 PM Post #2
Bleeds black and gold Group: Admin Posts: 6,030 Joined: 2-January 06 Member No.: 19,248 Status: Location: Lancaster, PA Drives: 1996 Talon AWD. Built, but no longer drives: 1997 mitsubishi eclipse RS; 1990 Talon AWD; 1995 Talon AWD, 1997 Talon AWD. Seems like a pattern	how much do you have to spend and how mechanically inclined are you? what mods do you have?

schmidty321 View Member Profile	Jul 29 2008, 07:26 PM Post #3
Full Member Group: Members Posts: 91 Joined: 17-July 08 Member No.: 61,258 Status: Location: pawtucket RI Drives: 1999 mitsubishi eclipse gs oz edition	im good at putting stuff together and if i reach something i dont know ill get my buddies that go to mtti to help out and i have about 300 to spend

fullmoon View Member Profile	Jul 30 2008, 08:33 AM Post #4
Expert Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: 23-July 05 Member No.: 12,867 Status: Location: Los Angeles, California Drives: 1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS	;) QUOTE(schmidty321 @ Jul 29 2008, 05:26 PM) im good at putting stuff together and if i reach something i dont know ill get my buddies that go to mtti to help out and i have about 300 to spend [right][snapback]188035[/snapback][/right] :whistling:

pwee05 View Member Profile	Jul 30 2008, 09:19 AM Post #5
Bleeds black and gold Group: Admin Posts: 6,030 Joined: 2-January 06 Member No.: 19,248 Status: Location: Lancaster, PA Drives: 1996 Talon AWD. Built, but no longer drives: 1997 mitsubishi eclipse RS; 1990 Talon AWD; 1995 Talon AWD, 1997 Talon AWD. Seems like a pattern	do you have any mods yet or is it totally stock?

schmidty321 View Member Profile	Jul 30 2008, 01:10 PM Post #6
Full Member Group: Members Posts: 91 Joined: 17-July 08 Member No.: 61,258 Status: Location: pawtucket RI Drives: 1999 mitsubishi eclipse gs oz edition	other than the rims its bone stock

EMC 3000gt View Member Profile	Jul 30 2008, 01:23 PM Post #7
Resident Honda Owner Group: Super Mod Posts: 7,056 Joined: 18-October 06 Member No.: 30,873 Status: Location: Tri-State Area Drives: 1992 3000 GT TT, 2004 Acura RSX Type - S	Save your money for new tires a timing belt and some beer.

pwee05 View Member Profile	Jul 30 2008, 01:28 PM Post #8
Bleeds black and gold Group: Admin Posts: 6,030 Joined: 2-January 06 Member No.: 19,248 Status: Location: Lancaster, PA Drives: 1996 Talon AWD. Built, but no longer drives: 1997 mitsubishi eclipse RS; 1990 Talon AWD; 1995 Talon AWD, 1997 Talon AWD. Seems like a pattern	did someone say beer?! :beer: K&N air filter and full exhaust with header would be a good start $300 won't get you much and torque is very hard to increase on a 4 cyl without stroking it.....the engine not your pecker :laughing:

george91746 View Member Profile	Jul 31 2008, 03:05 AM Post #9
Newbie Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 26-July 08 Member No.: 61,728 Status: Location: los angeles county Drives: 1995 mitsubishi eclipse gs	what does it mean to stroke the engine?

MadHatterEvo View Member Profile	Jul 31 2008, 02:58 PM Post #10
Full Member Group: Members Posts: 203 Joined: 23-June 08 Member No.: 60,008 Status: Location: Huntington Beach CA Drives: 1996 Mitsubishi Eclipse RS 5-speed	Stroking the engine means to increase the size of the engine through the stroke. Such as, on the 420A, the stroke is 83 mm. Stroker kit gives you another 3-5 mm, which in turn, makes the 420A's 1996 cc displacement into a 2068 cc, if I did the math right... on a 3 mm gain. Usually the only thing involved in a stroker kit is connecting rods and the crankshaft I think... This is different than doing the bore, in which you would need larger pistons. Although, some people use the terms "Stroked engine" and Overbored engine" interchangably, because, I assume, they have performed both operations... At least, all this information is to my understanding, and it may be completely off, as I have no actual engine experience, just studying... :(

kylewr86 View Member Profile	Jul 31 2008, 08:56 PM Post #11
Senior Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: 2-March 06 Member No.: 21,810 Status: Location: usa Drives: 1995 mitsubishi eclipse gs	you can delete the power steering and the air conditioner.best part its FREEEEEEE

pwee05 View Member Profile	Aug 1 2008, 08:46 AM Post #12
Bleeds black and gold Group: Admin Posts: 6,030 Joined: 2-January 06 Member No.: 19,248 Status: Location: Lancaster, PA Drives: 1996 Talon AWD. Built, but no longer drives: 1997 mitsubishi eclipse RS; 1990 Talon AWD; 1995 Talon AWD, 1997 Talon AWD. Seems like a pattern	QUOTE(MadHatterEvo @ Jul 31 2008, 02:58 PM) Stroking the engine means to increase the size of the engine through the stroke. Such as, on the 420A, the stroke is 83 mm. Stroker kit gives you another 3-5 mm, which in turn, makes the 420A's 1996 cc displacement into a 2068 cc, if I did the math right... on a 3 mm gain. Usually the only thing involved in a stroker kit is connecting rods and the crankshaft I think... This is different than doing the bore, in which you would need larger pistons. Although, some people use the terms "Stroked engine" and Overbored engine" interchangably, because, I assume, they have performed both operations... At least, all this information is to my understanding, and it may be completely off, as I have no actual engine experience, just studying... :( [right][snapback]188735[/snapback][/right] dead on,, except technically speaking it doesn't increase the "size" of the engine, it increases "displacement" of the cylinders. a good example is watering your garden with a 5lb bucket(cylinder). You can water the garden just fine but it will take more trips back and forth to the hose (rpm) to be efficient. If you increase displacement to a 6lb bucket(cylinder) you can fit more water in there and will take less trips to the hose (rpm) but since the bucket is heavier you run out of efficiency at higher rpm. same with your engine but a little more complicated. a 2.0L will give you more power at higher RPM(where horsepower is measured) because it makes more trips and the bucket is lighter so it is more efficient when making faster trips than if you were to increase the stroke and displacement to a 2.2L. This will give you more power at lower rpm(where torque is measured) but can't build as much power at high RPM because the bucket is heavier and is less efficient when making faster trips. does that make sense?

fullmoon View Member Profile	Aug 2 2008, 10:03 AM Post #13
Expert Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: 23-July 05 Member No.: 12,867 Status: Location: Los Angeles, California Drives: 1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS	QUOTE(pwee05 @ Aug 1 2008, 06:46 AM) dead on,, except technically speaking it doesn't increase the "size" of the engine, it increases "displacement" of the cylinders. a good example is watering your garden with a 5lb bucket(cylinder). You can water the garden just fine but it will take more trips back and forth to the hose (rpm) to be efficient. If you increase displacement to a 6lb bucket(cylinder) you can fit more water in there and will take less trips to the hose (rpm) but since the bucket is heavier you run out of efficiency at higher rpm. same with your engine but a little more complicated. a 2.0L will give you more power at higher RPM(where horsepower is measured) because it makes more trips and the bucket is lighter so it is more efficient when making faster trips than if you were to increase the stroke and displacement to a 2.2L. This will give you more power at lower rpm(where torque is measured) but can't build as much power at high RPM because the bucket is heavier and is less efficient when making faster trips. does that make sense? [right][snapback]189026[/snapback][/right] Correct me if I'm wrong but is that's where the stroke kit comes into play for the high RPM's by increasing the up and down motion of the pistons available space. And the kit don't increase compression or does it? I thought that's where the HC pistons come into play? :blush-anim-cl:

fullmoon View Member Profile	Aug 2 2008, 10:06 AM Post #14
Expert Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: 23-July 05 Member No.: 12,867 Status: Location: Los Angeles, California Drives: 1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS	QUOTE(fullmoon @ Jul 30 2008, 06:33 AM) ;) :whistling: [right][snapback]188147[/snapback][/right] And bud it's gonna cost more than $300.00

pwee05 View Member Profile	Aug 4 2008, 02:48 PM Post #15
Bleeds black and gold Group: Admin Posts: 6,030 Joined: 2-January 06 Member No.: 19,248 Status: Location: Lancaster, PA Drives: 1996 Talon AWD. Built, but no longer drives: 1997 mitsubishi eclipse RS; 1990 Talon AWD; 1995 Talon AWD, 1997 Talon AWD. Seems like a pattern	QUOTE(fullmoon @ Aug 2 2008, 10:03 AM) Correct me if I'm wrong but is that's where the stroke kit comes into play for the high RPM's by increasing the up and down motion of the pistons available space. And the kit don't increase compression or does it? I thought that's where the HC pistons come into play? :blush-anim-cl: [right][snapback]189420[/snapback][/right] In terms of n/a, you have to "de-stroke" an engine if you want it to work at higher RPMs. try this, make fists with your hands. punch back and forth as far as you can and as fast as you can. now, punch back and forth as fast as you can about 6 inches. Which one did your arms go faster, the longer stroke or the shorter stroke?

fullmoon View Member Profile	Aug 4 2008, 06:32 PM Post #16
Expert Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: 23-July 05 Member No.: 12,867 Status: Location: Los Angeles, California Drives: 1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS	QUOTE(pwee05 @ Aug 4 2008, 12:48 PM) In terms of n/a, you have to "de-stroke" an engine if you want it to work at higher RPMs. try this, make fists with your hands. punch back and forth as far as you can and as fast as you can. now, punch back and forth as fast as you can about 6 inches. Which one did your arms go faster, the longer stroke or the shorter stroke? [right][snapback]190059[/snapback][/right] I think I understand now but if I understand the other post that would reduce torque at the the bottom end but would give you heck of a top end and since the 420a has good top end that would make it that much better, Correct?