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> 875$ Eclipse, Good Buy
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post Aug 15 2008, 09:49 PM
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That knock is the DSM knock I believe, if it is then this should be a pretty good buy ;)
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post Aug 15 2008, 11:03 PM
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There's nothing DSM about that car....it's a 2nd gen gs......
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post Aug 15 2008, 11:08 PM
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Being a 420a its a bearing. Whether its a rod or a main is unknown.
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post Aug 16 2008, 10:41 AM
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dsm means diamond star motors, i thought that was all eagle/mitsubishi engines not just the turbo ones. hey learn something everyday
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post Aug 16 2008, 10:48 AM
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dsm means diamond star motors, i thought that was all eagle/mitsubishi engines not just the turbo ones. hey learn something everyday
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you are correct the 420a is a dsm.
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post Aug 16 2008, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(jonbonazza @ Aug 16 2008, 10:48 AM)
you are correct the 420a is a dsm.
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thanks, i was searching all over the internet looking, i thought it was...
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well.....technically no dsm's were made after either april or march of 92 so only about half of the first generation eclipses/talons were really dsm's but since all the turbo eclipses and talons have basically the same engine we refer to them as dsm's too. And the 4g63 engine is what makes the car a dsm. The 420a was made by chrysler and then that thing was thrown into the eclipse body. By my standards and most people's standards dsm's are turbo eclipses/talons with the 4g63 engine.
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post Aug 16 2008, 05:57 PM
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i understand, but also open your drivers side door and look at the sticker on the door jam with the VIN it says "manufactured by diamond-star motors corp." on eclipses with both 4g63 engines and 420a engines :57:
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well.....technically no dsm's were made after either april or march of 92 so only about half of the first generation eclipses/talons were really dsm's but since all the turbo eclipses and talons have basically the same engine we refer to them as dsm's too.  And the 4g63 engine is what makes the car a dsm.  The 420a was made by chrysler and then that thing was thrown into the eclipse body.  By my standards and most people's standards dsm's are turbo eclipses/talons with the 4g63 engine.
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Weren't "DSMs" made until sometime in 94?
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QUOTE(SeMi380 @ Aug 16 2008, 06:09 PM)
well.....technically no dsm's were made after either april or march of 92 so only about half of the first generation eclipses/talons were really dsm's but since all the turbo eclipses and talons have basically the same engine we refer to them as dsm's too.  And the 4g63 engine is what makes the car a dsm.  The 420a was made by chrysler and then that thing was thrown into the eclipse body.  By my standards and most people's standards dsm's are turbo eclipses/talons with the 4g63 engine.
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"DSM" has nothing to do with the engine. it is merely a term describing the joint operation of Chystler and mitsubishi. the term "DSM" is an acronym for "Diamond Star Motors" and yields from the 2 company's symbols. Mitsubishi is a series of 3 Diamonds and Chrystler is a star, Thus the name Diamond Star motors came about. ALL cars made under that joint operation were technicaly "DSMs" but entusiasts tend to narrow is down to 90-99 eclipses, talons, and lasers.
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QUOTE(jonbonazza @ Aug 17 2008, 10:08 AM)
"DSM" has nothing to do with the engine. it is merely a term describing the joint operation of Chystler and mitsubishi. the term "DSM" is an acronym for "Diamond Star Motors" and yields from the 2 company's symbols. Mitsubishi is a series of 3 Diamonds and Chrystler is a star, Thus the name Diamond Star motors came about. ALL cars made under that joint operation were technicaly "DSMs" but entusiasts tend to narrow is down to 90-99 eclipses, talons, and lasers.
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He is right, and Mitsubishi reclaimed ownership of itself in the 2000's I do not know the exact date. The guy was wondering if that knock was tribute to DSM's, and I only know of a DSM tick to start with and the 420a engine (neon engine) is a very quiet smooth running engine. A good rule of thumb is if an engine knocks, it is bad...
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Chrysler pulled out of production in 93, 94 models were the last "TRUE" DSM cars.

Some '95 cars have the DSM plaque, the rest from then on up do not.
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