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> Converting An Sl Into A Vr-4, Possible?
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post Aug 16 2008, 02:38 PM
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Hi im new to these forums, I joined because im getting one of my dream cars next week. It's a 1995 5 speed 3000GT SL. And I wanted to know if I can converted into the legendary all wheel drive vr4. Is it possible? How much would it cost? and where can I get the parts?
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post Aug 16 2008, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE(suprafast7 @ Aug 16 2008, 01:38 PM)
Hi im new to these forums, I joined because im getting one of my dream cars next week. It's a 1995 5 speed 3000GT SL. And I wanted to know if I can converted into the legendary all wheel drive vr4. Is it possible? How much would it cost? and where can I get the parts?
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Possible? absolutely.
Practical? not so much...it would be much more cost effective to sell the SL and buy a VR-4. Also, you wont have tons of build time and headaches.

If you really dont want to sell a car you just bought, maybe look into a TT conversion. The AWD conversion is what takes most of the time and money, so if you skip on that, it becomes much cheaper and more practical.

but anyway, to answer your parts/price question, the easiest thing to do would probably be to find a donor car. A vr-4 thats been hit or has thrown a bearing or something.
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post Aug 16 2008, 03:41 PM
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I've done it.
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awd conversion is a bitch because the two cars don't share the same chasis.

TT conversion is cake.
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Alright that helped alot, so making it twin turbo will produce as much as hp as the vr-4? And yeah I know it would be much cheapier to just buy a vr4 instead but I barely had the money to buy it. I have another question my friend has a 1998 3000gt but it's automatic. He is wondering if he can make it a 5 speed standard. How much would this cost and what would he have to do to make it possible? thank you and sorry for so many questions.
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QUOTE(suprafast7 @ Aug 16 2008, 04:49 PM)
Alright that helped alot, so making it twin turbo will produce as much as hp as the vr-4? And yeah I know it would be much cheapier to just buy a vr4 instead but I barely had the money to buy it. I have another question my friend has a 1998 3000gt but it's automatic. He is wondering if he can make it a 5 speed standard. How much would this cost and what would he have to do to make it possible? thank you and sorry for so many questions.
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slightly more, actually, since the n/a engine has higher compression. Unfortunately, that limits the amount of boost you can run before having issues with knock. But there are solutions to every problem...;)

MTX conversion: yes, very possible. Search the net and you'll be sure to find some write-ups. Just the major things; transaxle (obviously), clutch, flywheel, petal, axles, center console, cut a hole for the clutch petal, master/slave cylinders, lines...shifter and linkages...i know i'm forgetting something big...:unsure:
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Alright thanks for the help, i'll posting more when I get my car, thanks for the help and if I get an automatic one, i'll know what to look for. I don't think the tt conversion would be as good as converting it into a vr4. Im not into front wheel cars that much. Besides this is going to be my first car I get, and the first car i'm gonna drive.
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We've done both 5spd swaps, and AWD Twin Turbo Vr4 swaps, etc, etc, etc. We're actually doing another Vr4 swap shortly... and probably one of the most bad-ass top to bottom renovations ever to go through this shop. HAHA

If you have any questions about either conversion, Hans or myself can help you, as well as EMC I'm sure :)

In all honesty though... it's really not so much of a do-it-yourself project... but certainly not impossible if you're 100% dedicated to doing it.

The only problem you will run into since it seems your lacking finances... is you'll need a donor VR4/stealth TT chassis.

And in all honesty... if you're JUST buying the car now, and already have plans to convert it...
save yourself the headache and extra $$ (because yes, in the long run, it will cost you more $$), and just buy a Vr4.

save up a little more extra cash, and just buy a nice 1g Vr4. They're going for sub 6k in decent condition.
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We usually charge around $5k to convert a car from fwd to awd which includes all parts and labor (for a 5 speed). Add another $4-5k for the turbo conversion (using a turbo engine). It would be worth it if you got a REALLY good deal on a SL.

Doing the AWD conversion is a lot of work, but you do get the benefits of cheaper insurance. Unfortunately, that insurance usually doesn't cover all of the stuff you just did to the car, so you will lose it all if it gets totalled.

Auto-manual conversions aren't all that bad to do. Parts required (off the top of my head)

manual trans (for his 98 he will want one from a 93+ model... if his is a SOHC engine, he will need one from a SOHC)
clutch
flywheel
flywheel bolts
clutch pressure plate bolts
clutch slave cylinder
clutch master cylinder
line going from master to slave cylinder
trans mount bracket
axle jack shaft with bracket
shifter assembly
shifter cables
clutch/brake pedal assembly
shift boot with plastic trim piece
shift knob

I'm pretty sure that all of the parts needed.
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post Aug 18 2008, 06:18 PM
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Forgot to say, the actual labor of doing the TT conversion is not hard. The hard part is the diagnosis stage right after the first start up
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