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Oct 2 2008, 10:03 PM
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Some of my friends are saying that my CAI (injen) will do dommage to my motor cuz the air that the intake is going to get to this one will be too cold.... just wondering if u guys can hepl me find if they're bullshitinh me or not
p.s I live in Canada , Quebec and i got a 09 DE
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Oct 3 2008, 05:40 AM
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I guess the Next best thing would be a short ram intake. Or if you want to save $$$ remove the restrictor.
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Oct 3 2008, 03:59 PM
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Neh, lots of people run CAIs during winter. A hydroshield will block out sloshy water on warmer days and the required car washes to remove salt, and the point at which the intake is no longer able to draw in air would mean your entire bumper is full of snow and ice. Not good anyway.
What I've heard on the intarweb full of the purple-monkey-dishwasher effect:
There is a "slight chance" of throttle icing with cars given the fact that the air is still rushing in quite cold. Ice "can" develop, impeding butterfly movement. I'm not 100% if this is even possible on this car. I don't think they develop this car for Canadian winters, but mine has still to go through one. 2008s are quite rare in Winnipeg.
There's also a "chance" that the engine would remap the fuel delivery given the large amount of cold dense air, causing other "issues" (running rich & wasting gas, hesitation, etc). A "Winter mode", or so I've heard, exists on certain cars. In fact, it's rumoured that a few cars out there have been dyno'd and actually produced less power in sub-0C temperatures with a cold air intake. *shrug*
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I've heard more speculation and rumour than actual hard evidence that it's actually bad for anything. When somebody says something is bad, they should provide more than just "it can damage the motor" and instead explain WHY can it damage the motor. If they can't answer that, they don't know what they're talking about and are just spitting out what they've heard from somebody else, and on and on.
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Oct 3 2008, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(sordid @ Oct 3 2008, 03:59 PM) Neh, lots of people run CAIs during winter. A hydroshield will block out sloshy water on warmer days and the required car washes to remove salt, and the point at which the intake is no longer able to draw in air would mean your entire bumper is full of snow and ice. Not good anyway.
What I've heard on the intarweb full of the purple-monkey-dishwasher effect:
There is a "slight chance" of throttle icing with cars given the fact that the air is still rushing in quite cold. Ice "can" develop, impeding butterfly movement. I'm not 100% if this is even possible on this car. I don't think they develop this car for Canadian winters, but mine has still to go through one. 2008s are quite rare in Winnipeg.
There's also a "chance" that the engine would remap the fuel delivery given the large amount of cold dense air, causing other "issues" (running rich & wasting gas, hesitation, etc). A "Winter mode", or so I've heard, exists on certain cars. In fact, it's rumoured that a few cars out there have been dyno'd and actually produced less power in sub-0C temperatures with a cold air intake. *shrug*
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I've heard more speculation and rumour than actual hard evidence that it's actually bad for anything. When somebody says something is bad, they should provide more than just "it can damage the motor" and instead explain WHY can it damage the motor. If they can't answer that, they don't know what they're talking about and are just spitting out what they've heard from somebody else, and on and on. [right][snapback]211821[/snapback][/right]
Thx man! very usefull information!! I'm quite interest in quetting more info bout the "winter mode" but i think ill just keep my CAI but if i have any malfunction like hesitation or wasting gas ill juste take it off or simply remove one part to make it a SRI or simply make one my self since im a welder! lol I'm also making a costum exhast line with magnaflow's essential part like pipe n anti polution thing!
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Oct 10 2008, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(NY-09GTS @ Oct 10 2008, 01:17 PM) Temperature of the air is not the thing to focus on. It's the increased density of the air that gives you the extra power. And it just so happens that colder air is denser than warmer air.
From what I've read, a cai will pull in air that is around ambient temperature, as compared to a sri or a stock location that can pull in air 20-50 degrees above ambient or more. That's where you gain power, by drawing in air that's not heated by the engine, thus giving you more dense air, but it's not necessarily colder than ambient temps. The car should be able to handle air that's well into the sub zero range, so I'd say keep it on. In other cars I've had I've always left it on. [right][snapback]214280[/snapback][/right]
Temperature is something important to focus on because the density of the air is related to the temerature by the eq d = p/(R*T) [density = pressure / (specific gas constant * temperature)], however not quite as important as altitude/barometric pressure and humidity. "thus giving you more dense air, but it's not necessarily colder than ambient temps." :huh: You'd never be able to get cooler than ambient air anyway, without some sort of refridgerant system. But everybody has the same general idea. Anyway, if it helps, a friend has run a CAI on her late 90s 2.0 Golf for years through Canadian winters with no issues, and that car just. won't. die. I'll be running my SRI through the winter and then it comes off for good.
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Oct 11 2008, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(sordid @ Oct 10 2008, 04:26 PM) Temperature is something important to focus on because the density of the air is related to the temerature by the eq d = p/(R*T) [density = pressure / (specific gas constant * temperature)], however not quite as important as altitude/barometric pressure and humidity. "thus giving you more dense air, but it's not necessarily colder than ambient temps." :huh: You'd never be able to get cooler than ambient air anyway, without some sort of refridgerant system. But everybody has the same general idea.
Anyway, if it helps, a friend has run a CAI on her late 90s 2.0 Golf for years through Canadian winters with no issues, and that car just. won't. die. I'll be running my SRI through the winter and then it comes off for good. [right][snapback]214326[/snapback][/right]
True, you explained it better. I just wanted to make the point that its the more dense air that is better, not necessarily a colder temp by itself. Although a colder temp is more dense air, but like you said, there are other factors. Also wanted to make the point about the "cold" air compared to ambient temps. I know people who actually think the temp of the air under the car is different than above the car and that's not true. The temp difference is between the air heated by the engine and outside air. That's why I was always a fan of calling it a fresh air intake instead of a cold air intake. But anyway, ya thanks for clarifying.
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Oct 12 2008, 12:01 PM
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nice! thx guys! very very usefull info! ill keep it on this winter and have some fun with it and my hand brake :D haha! ill be postiong some pics of my exhaust line by next couple of weeks!
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Oct 12 2008, 08:17 PM
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yea! i learned my leason last winter... lost control in a hand brake trix and totally hitted an other car! so now all my experimentation are in parking but im not yet ready to try to do so around real obstacles :S but at the end of this winter i should be able !
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Oct 14 2008, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE(Ape-Jay @ Oct 3 2008, 04:23 PM) " but i think ill just keep my CAI but if i have any malfunction like hesitation or wasting gas ill juste take it off or simply remove one part to make it a SRI. [right][snapback]211831[/snapback][/right]
Would this even work with the Injen intake? I removed mine due to a cel and never put it back on because winter is coming up but if I can just put the main pipe on with the filter I will do that. Won't this just suck hot air though?
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Oct 15 2008, 12:52 AM
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QUOTE(MisterStrike @ Oct 14 2008, 09:49 AM) Would this even work with the Injen intake? I removed mine due to a cel and never put it back on because winter is coming up but if I can just put the main pipe on with the filter I will do that. Won't this just suck hot air though? [right][snapback]215216[/snapback][/right]
If you could actually pull it off, then yes it will suck in hot air, but all SRI's do this anyways. You wouldn't be able to do it though because of the way the CAI pipe bends. There's no way you can fit a filter and still be able to close your hood.
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