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> Timing Belt Breaks, If the Timing Belt breaks, does this blow the motor?
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post Jun 18 2009, 09:11 PM
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I bought my 04 Endeavor about 5 months ago with 54K miles on it. It now has 57K miles and although it seems a bit early I hear that the timing belt is recommended to be replaced at 60K miles. This seems very early to me. Also I was wondering if the Timing belt were to break while driving, does this blow the engine? I know some cars timing belt can break and it doesnt hurt the motor where as other cars if the timing belt breaks it blows the motor. Any advice would be helpful.
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post Jun 18 2009, 09:45 PM
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mitsus r interference engines yes doesnt blow the whole motor tho usually bends valves it all depends on how catastrophic it is...
its recomended but mitsus dont have has much of a problem with the belt breaking...

now if it was a hyundai id say change it now-- like tommorrow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

also is it cheaper too change the 125$ belt or 6k$ for the motor (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)
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post Jun 18 2009, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (SRSONE @ Jun 18 2009, 07:45 PM) *
mitsus r interference engines yes doesnt blow the whole motor tho usually bends valves it all depends on how catastrophic it is...
its recomended but mitsus dont have has much of a problem with the belt breaking...

now if it was a hyundai id say change it now-- like tommorrow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

also is it cheaper too change the 125$ belt or 6k$ for the motor (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)


True, although the $125 belt plus the labor can be $800+ and to do that every 60K seems excessive. Thanks for the info on the zero clearance motor, I had an eclipse once so I kinda figured it'd be the same with the Endeavor.
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post Jun 18 2009, 10:39 PM
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Yeah i have an eclipse and i just changed mine at 73,XXX miles a couple weeks ago. It would be an epic mess for your car if you let it get away i was lucky im guessing. I bought it at that many miles and the previous owners had never changed it. Its better safe than sorry though. I paid $690 for all the belts and a water pump including the labor at a local shop.
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post Jun 20 2009, 09:36 PM
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endeavors r one of the easiest to change tho...
if u r a do it yourselfer...
only one timing belt to change... three marks to line up and i dont change the water pump everytime.. if u change your coolant regularly the pump should be ok
inspect for leakage at the weep hole if your not sure then change it..

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post Jun 22 2009, 05:35 PM
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Although mitsu does indeed recommend a 60k interval for the timing belt replacement, you can easily go 100k.

the V6 belt lasts very, very, very long. Ive see 180k on original belts. HOWEVER... i am NOT recommending that.
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post Jun 22 2009, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE (manybrews @ Jun 22 2009, 03:35 PM) *
Although mitsu does indeed recommend a 60k interval for the timing belt replacement, you can easily go 100k.

the V6 belt lasts very, very, very long. Ive see 180k on original belts. HOWEVER... i am NOT recommending that.


Thanks I will probably do mine around 90K, I'd feel pretty safe with that.
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post Jun 22 2009, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE (SRSONE @ Jun 20 2009, 07:36 PM) *
endeavors r one of the easiest to change tho...
if u r a do it yourselfer...
only one timing belt to change... three marks to line up and i dont change the water pump everytime.. if u change your coolant regularly the pump should be ok
inspect for leakage at the weep hole if your not sure then change it..


I'm not a do it yourselfer, Any idea what it would cost to take it to a mechanic?
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post Jun 24 2009, 05:44 PM
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timing belt alone around 3 hours
timing belt and water pump around 3.5 hours
dont know labor costs in your area... so u would need to check around

timing belt should be around 90$
water pump from 150$ to 200$ (depends on build date of truck) 2 different ones listed
coolant about 20 bucks a gallon
only other thing maybe the tensioner...that would need too be looked at after removal and if it needs to be replaced...another 125$

also check the engine belts at the same time

thats all i can think of that u might need

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post Jun 30 2009, 01:37 AM
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So I checked with the dealer today and to change the timing belt he said it would cost $430. Not bad considering I thought it would cost $800+. In fact to to do the 60K mile maintanace on it it would cost just over $1000, that includes transmission flush, coolant flush, timing belt, water pump, tune up, oil change, tires rotated and a few more things. Since I'm at 58K miles now, I will most likely just do the whole package (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 14 2009, 04:52 PM
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Hy everyone , not been here for a long time .

Very interesting this question. I have an Endeavor 2005 2 wd , bought new ,
now I have 138,000 kms on it . At the dealer today they told me
I am due for a timing belt change . They ask $ 580 cdn + taxes (12%)

I checked with a local garage with an excellent reputation ,
they charge $ 320 + taxes ,with the same warranty as the dealer.
My appointment is done , 3.4 hours of labor + $ 90 for the belt ,
$ 310 + taxes ....how the dealer be so hungry ....almost 2X ....?


I am glad I have found this post .... my Endy is now paid , so it
costs me just maintenance to ride.


The other point : the Low value of the Endy ...in an exchange
against a new 2010 Outlander LS $ 31,000 , the give me
a cheap $ 5000 ....ridiculous...The body is like new ,
as the interior....

What should I expect for my Endy from a particular ?

Thanks.
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post Oct 14 2009, 11:29 PM
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use the dealer. NOT an independant shop. they all suck.
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QUOTE (manybrews @ Oct 15 2009, 12:29 AM) *
use the dealer. NOT an independant shop. they all suck.



Yes and know , it really depends the dealer / the independant shop.

Here the law obliges to warranty any repair for 3 months or 20,000 kms.

I had my dealer who changed my front wiper assembly for $ 420 ,
he gave me back the old assembly , return home I checked it ,
and it was working perfectly , the problem was a faulty electrical
contact , but then it was too late to go back in time ....so dealer
can go the fast way to make some $ without trying to find
the problem.

Dealer or not , the trick is to find an honest garage ....

My experience is that dealer want to keep an good profile
from Mitsubishi so they try to avoid finding the problems
under warranty . They did that with my battery ....it was
always fine during the warranty ... but by checking it at
an independant electrical specialist the battery was weak ,
under speaks ....so I had to replace it after the warranty .

















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QUOTE (manybrews @ Oct 15 2009, 12:29 AM) *
use the dealer. NOT an independant shop. they all suck.


Manybrews, while I believe you are an excellent mechanic as you have helped me with issues on my Nativa (Monetero Sport), Lancer, and now the Endeavor I will have to disagree with the dealer statement. I have taken my Endeavor to all three dealers in the Orlando area and have been screwed by each one. The most recent was when I took it in for the collapsed radiator hoses, I had replaced all the hoses, the thermostat (as you recommended), and the coolant (all Mitsubishi OEM parts). I took it to the dealer told them everything I had done to the truck and informed them to keep the truck until it was fixed. They replaced everything I had done told me to pick up the truck 5 days later and after picking it up and stopping to eat lunch I wanted to give a look under the hood and guess what collapsed hoses. I got home frustrated and mentioned it to my father, he told me to take out the coolant reservoir and inspect the return tube it was clogged up, I cleaned it out and no more collapsed hoses but out of $300.00+ for them to replace everything I had already replaced. So while I am not saying all dealers are crap, for the most part both in Texas and in FL I have found them to be just that, my retired Mitsu mechanic in Texas has his own independent shop and never failed me on any of the work and charged 50+% less than the dealer down the street with the same warranty.
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I have an 02 Lancer, 04 Endeavor, use to have 2001 Nativa (Montero Sport) & 02 Galant... I use to follow the 60k rule until I saw how new the belts and replaced parts looked at 60k. Many Mitsu mechanics say you can go until 100k (but don't recommend it for legal reasons), I am now doing the 100k because it makes more sense and I can have the spark plugs done at the same time which at many places reduces the labor cost as most parts will already be disassembled. The only people I don't advise doing this are those original owners of have the 10yr 100K power train warranty as it just gives Mitsubishi and excuse to void it. If you bought your Mitsubishi used you don't have that warranty so go 100K.
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so if i under stand u right jcos.. u replaced the hoses and the tstat and the coolant yourself?
but the hoses still collapsed...
so u took it the dealer and then let them just replace all the things u already did?

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QUOTE (SRSONE @ Oct 16 2009, 07:55 PM) *
so if i under stand u right jcos.. u replaced the hoses and the tstat and the coolant yourself?
but the hoses still collapsed...
so u took it the dealer and then let them just replace all the things u already did?


Yes, I know however since I am just a garage mechanic things I learned from restoring older vettes and due to the lack of time I have because I am in Nursing school I just wanted it fixed and figured maybe I messed something up. The point I am trying to give is that although it was a mistake from my part to let them replace these items what about those who only know how to put gas in and drive the car. I just get tired of having to fight everything with the dealers I only took it to the dealer because it is my only mode of transportation and I needed it done fast I did not want to try "theories" (they had it for 4 days) so I assumed that taking it to the Mitsu dealer I would be paying for the expertise from a person who had specialized experience and training with Mitsu cars. In other cases I have had to clean up their work like tools and rags left in the engine bay that to me just shows no work ethic. If I complain it just gets into an argument with bad attitudes then I am made the a$$hole customer who wants a free ride it just truly drives me up the wall. I just wonder how they would react if I as a nurse just happen to give them the wrong medications or left a catheter in their arm for 5 days, maybe I just yank it out and leave them to sterilize and bandage the wounds.

Please do not interpret this as me bashing every technician at the Mitsubishi dealers, I know there are many great ones around but I just wish more would have the ethic of some of the greats like my retired Mitsubishi tech in TX. And to be honest apart from me having to clean up some of the others messes I think the real problem are with those service advisers or whatever they are called I don't think the really communicate the customers words to the techs in the bays. Anyways this is the last I am going to talk about it because I know that there are great techs out there and they don't deserve to pay the price for some of the crap their lazy incompetent counterparts do.
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Reason for understanding is it time for change timing belt or not is very simple: when you start up COLD engine and hear heavy misidentification noise , it is time to do it. Good luck!
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