Hey, im only a Sophomore in High School, but for the past few months I have fallen in love with the 3000GT. What im really wondering is why is everyone on the racing forum talking about Eclipse's? I would think that 3000GT's would be talked about more for racing, but im not sure, so any input would be helpful. a 3000GT would smoke an Eclipse wouldnt it? Thanks in advance.

there are alot of factors to consider; motor size, vehicle weight, drive train, & suspension are among just a few. there is no tride & true way to say which is faster, so if you like the 3000GT and you want to buy one i'd say go for it. just remember this when you get the car you want you're only limited by your imagination and your wallet.




drive it like you stole it :57:

Agreed. Being that you are a sophomore why don't you drive around a beeter car and at the same time purchase your 3000gt you want to badly and work on it until it's the way you want it.

ide say if it was a vr4 then its faster but there expensive even for older ones twin turbos ahhh :D

so people honestly believe that eclipses can even beat 3000GT's SL's or base models?, i mean a 0-60 in 5.2 is pretty damn impressive for the 3kgt. im not sure if that time is for VR4's or what, but come on, I didnt believe eclipses could even compete with the 3kgt, but maybe i was wrong.

I doubt an eclipse can compete with a vr4. Vr4's come twin turbo, awd, 240hp at 6 grand. 1/4 mile-13.7 stock. Personally id rather have an eclipse. Lighter and personally i think their nicer looking

that 5.2 is for the VR-4, not the SL or Base model.

Eclipses can be way friggin' fast man. You race anything long enough you'll get smoked.

I personally like the torque curve of the 6g72 better, and the gearing. first gear is really a pain in the DSMs. again, personal opinion.

DSM are way cheaper to make really really fast. There is just more out there. And I think a more dedicated group of people backing them.

Finding either an Eclipse or a 3000GT that have not been completely molested is becoming more and more of a challenge every day, though. that's the rough part.

if you like modding your car then you should go for the eclipse (gs-t -turbo) because you can find so many affordable parts and its really fun to fix up and build up more power... i actually owned a 3000gt for 2 years it was a base model only 160hp it was fast but not enough for me, i was paying 475 a month plus insurance, the car was around 16,000 tooooo much, then i sold it.. btw base gts are 160hp (10,ooo,-16,ooo) SLs are 220hp (21,oo-24,ooo) VR4s are 320hp over (over 26,ooo) plus parts are so hard to find and so expensive.. i got my 97 eclipse gs-t (turbo) for 2,500 cus th girls who sold it didnt know what was wrong, only spent an extra 1,500 for it to be fixed... the gs-t and gs-x both have stock 210hp... this car flys plus i can easily spend 3,000 and bring the car up to evo status around 280-350 hp... i suggest getting a gs-t since your still young and have fun getting to know how cars work and fix it up... then down the line get a VR4 because you can ask anyone if you are getting a 3000gt you need to get a VR4 or else the base or SL wont cut it.. trust me ive owned both and maybe in the future ill get my gt back only then it'll be a vr4..... good luck with what car you will get.. if you have any questions please ask away!!!!

PS: ive raced plenty of base and SLs.... no compitition.... only 3 mods on my gst and i can smoke the stock base and SL.... now vr4s<<< thats another story lol

cost, the 3000gt cost over 20 grand when it first came out, the eclipse cost 11 k base

given depreciation people could get their hands on the 1/2G dsm before the 3000gt

if u like both i highly recommend the GSX , its a 4wd eclipse , since the 3000gt from what ive heard has tranny issues , get best of both worlds.

It comes down to what you like. I mean if you like the 3000 go for it. Personally I love the eclipse body style and would like to fix that up more then a 3000. I got a 97 eclipse conv gs-t 5 speed and love every day i get into that car. I can just look at it in the drive way. I think I'm in love!!

I personally prefer the Eclipse. I myself just got my 1997 Eclipse GST Spyder, I love it! My friend has 3000GT, i'll tell you when i beat him.

:grin:

Base price for a gst is 21 grand

3SX's (3000Gt, Stealth and GTO) vs DSM (Eclipse, Talon, and Laser). 3sx top models have far more hp than equivalent dsms. with about 305-320hp in the 3sx depending on the year and 210hp in the dsm's. keep in mind that this only compares the top-of-the-line models (ie VR-4's and RT/TT vs GS-X, TSi AWD). now for more specifics, i will only compare the 1999 3000GT VR-4 (arguably, the best of the 3SX line) and the 1995 Eclipse GS-X (arguably, the peak for DSM). Original price for the VR-4 is $44, 600. The VR-4 weighs approximately 3750 lbs dry. The GS-X weighs about 3100 lbs dry and originally cost a meager $23,000. This translates to a weight to hp ratio of 11 lbs/hp for the VR-4 and 14 lbs/hp for the GS-X. However the intangibles are the aftermarkets. The fastest 3SX on the planet is running a low 9.0-second quarter mile. However, the fastest DSM is runniing a 7-flat. The most outstanding difference between the two is the weight. Weight reduction on 3SX isnt as productive as its DSM cousin. The DSM's come off the assembly line grossly overweight and somewhat self concious of this. This is qute easily fixed, though, with carefullly planned weight reduction. (advantage DSM). Another large difference is the price tag, especially as it applies to the aftermarket. Because of the vastly larger production numbers of the DSM models, there is subsequently a much larger number of manufacturers, dealers, and installers for DSM parts than there are for 3SX parts. However, this isnt to completely bash the 3SX'ers. 3SX's are generally thought to be the better looking car. They are much more luxurious. As early as 1991 in the first generation VR-4, there was already such techonologies as Active-Aero (electirically controlled suspension), all-wheel steering, and completely power interiors. Also, from 100mph and up, very rarely will a DSM ever compete due to the longer gear ratios of the 3SX which is more of a gran tourer than the sport-compact DSM.

wow, where do I start? Any 3000gt vs any eclipse, both stock, both of the same level, 3 levels on each car, the 3000 will win hands down, modding?? that's another story, like someone else said, 3000's are expensive to mod, eclipses arent that cheap either, but they are a lot less.... if you are in HS, I would definately go with a gs-t or gs-x, they are cheap, and replaceable, vr4's are getting harder and harder to come by, just remember on both models, the last year they were produced was 1999, by law, the dealer only has to produce parts for them for 10 years, that's over in 2009, I was saying, I dont care, I will just go aftermarket, but then you gotta think, do they make aftermarket switches? interior panels? other stuff like that, anyways, there are more parts available for eclipses and more options too, 3000's, well, it's kinda like fab your own... about the tranny problems, that was the transfer cases, and it was only in the 1st gen, they fixed it in the second, the 99 just had a different front end, not much else, the most equipped model of an eclipse has turbo awd, the most equipped model of vr4 has twin turbo, awd, aws, active aero, dual mode suspension, and dual exhaust mode, I picked up my 94 VR4 for 11,600 from a dealer, but an eclipse turbo gst or gsx, you can get into for under 7grand, but if you like to go fast, you have to ask yourself, "which car will you feel safe in at 140mph?"

oh my. Somehow I knew this was gonna be brought up...



That low nine second run was done on a full weight dodge stealth. That's electric power leather seats, A/C, and the spare tire.

Was any of that in the eclipse that went 7 flat?

Was the motor even sitting in the car the way it came from the factory? or did they turn it 90 degrees, and throw a chev automatic tranny on it?

Not to knock the accomplishment, but it's comparing apples and oranges. I'm sure there are fast full trim eclipses out there too, just as fast as the 3000GTs, but not 7 seconds. sorry, wrong.

They're both nice cars. the eclipse has a great aftermarket. The 3000GT is fast and sexy from the factory. Pick the one that suits you.

my question would then be, why hasnt someone weight reduced their 3SX? also, from what i've seen the fastest one isnt a stealth, its a GTO.... but i definetely agree that the 3SX's are much faster from the factory and the 3rd gen VR-4's are just **** sexy

on a side note, however, i raced a RT/TT today starting at 60, and ate him up :bwekk:

No one feels the need to make a 1/4 mile car. I don't know why. Most 3/S (not 3SX. It's 3/S, as in 3000GT/Stealth. 3SX is a 3/S parts supplier and website. http://www.3sxperformance.com/ ) get into a car that has all the options, with a fully loaded interior and don't feel the need to rip it all out. Don't get me wrong, there are some that have gone on massive diets, but none that pull pure track duty. If Someone does take the time to make a drag car they swap engines. Some one made a straight drag stealth with a big V-8 running the rear wheels, (6~7 second quarter) but I don't think that counts as a 3/S anymore.

The fastest 3/S is a dodge stealth. may change soon, as some more people are starting to put huge turbos on there cars, but who knows. We don't have quite the aftermarket support of the eclipses.

link: http://www.dynamicracing.com/customer/home.php

It says the US 1/4 mile record because they don't run a 1/4 mile in japan. They run some goofy length of meters. But the GTO there is not as fast, last time I checked. It does look cool though.

Another thing to notice, is the stock engine was in that car... that's cool.


Next time your in Wisconsin/Illinois give me a call, and we'll give her a go. see how you do against a healthy one. ;)

Real races happen from the light, not a roll. :bwekk: :grin:

ok, i'll take ur word for it about the stealth being faster than the gto and the 3/s vs 3sx.... but drag racing internationally is still 1/4 mile, its just listed in meters, about 400m i believe, but dont quote me on that.

as far as racing from the line.... lol when i convert my car to AWD, then we'll talk :P