i'm confused, your complimenting him on "knowing his stuff" after 2 consecutive people proved you dramatically wrong on a very ignorant statement.. don't u have a better way to save face? i'm not trying to be a ****, just don't spout off about things when you don't know what your saying. CVT's are not necessarily any more efficient that a more conventional transmission, their biggest advangtage is that they shift fast, since they dont really "shift" at all. however, because it's still a gear system that places metal against metal and creates friction, there is still a gross loss of some power. power loss to heat and friction are 2 things that are impossible to overcome within the laws of physics in the known universe.

How's this for saving face? I work for a BMW/MINI dealer, I am 7 weeks and counting away from graduating with an automotive degree, once I graduate I will be sent to school through the dealer to work on either of the two models, or Jaguar, Volvo, Cadillac, or Saab, whichever of the dealerships we own. As far as I know/care; whichever you may pick, I am ALMOST a technician, what are you? I understand how CVT's work, I work with them. I understand how manuals work, I work with them. I understand how regular automatics work, I work with them, also. I didn't disagree with anything anyone said, I was just saying that historically manuals lose LESS power than automatics. I never said they don't lose power. No $hit they or anything else mechanical loses power. I know all of this already. I am not trying to push in anyone's face what I know, I know my limitations, but I am simply defending the fact that I wasn't saying manuals lose NO power. I understand how a torque converter works, I understand that there are paper friction plates and steel reaction plates in an automatic and there are helical cut (in consumer cars, not race cars) gears in a manual and that they have to mesh with each other and use synchro's to shift power from one gear set to the other. I have rebuilt a 41TE Chrysler automatic and I have rebuilt a Saginaw GM manual transmission. I know how all of these things work. I am also not trying to brag but I am trying to explain that, in fact, I know my stuff and I know that there is friction. If you choose to debate anything any further, so be it. :grin:

let me put it like this....just b/c some people didn't go to automotive school, doesn't mean that they don't know **** about cars. my dad can take a v8 engine COMPLETELY apart and put it back together....and he barely graduated from high school. so don't throw your "degree" around thinking that it makes you better or more knowledgable than somebody who didn't go to school.

I'm a mechanical engineer that designed gear boxes. (I no longer do that. It sucked.) YAY FOR POTATOES. who gives a rats ****.

In a CVT system that I am familar with there is no gears. It is two pulleys that open and close to "change" the pulley size that the belt rides around. (it may just be one pulley that opens and closes. I'm really not 100% familar with the system) I'm not really sure what the belt was made out of, but I do believe it was more like a chain... Also, there is substantial power losses in this system because the belt HAS to slip on the pulley to make it work. the advantage is that there is power to the wheels through the entire rpm band.

All that and I never worked at a dealer, or took apart a V-8. or did I? It all gets so fuzzy after you down a bunch of vodka at 8 in the morning. now everyone put their penis back in their pants, I'm sick of everyone trying to compare size.

It's just the intra-web, kiddies.

nobody would have to worry about beating me there.........i lose everytime. :lol:

well i need 3 hands when i take a ****... one to hold the maginfying glass, one to hold the tweezers and one to keep my clothes out of the way

:lol: now thats a good one.

how did you guys get from talking about a 97 gs-t and the new and ugly 06, to arguing about drive trains? I don't care if you're 0-60 is 1.7 or 7.1 as long as you look good doing it!!! and the 2g has the 4g beat in that area (in my opinion)

don't forget argueing about penis size.

0-60 in 1.7? yeah. I don't care what the car looks like, if it can do that it's cool.

As far as look good doing it? You can't teach taste.

big wings on a front wheel drive are queerer than a three dollar bill, yet some people think they look good. I think they look like stupid. but that's just my opinion.

i didn't know a three dollar bill was queer.

prove me wrong. :grin: :P

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hahahaha ur just saying that cuz ur car's 0-60 is maybe on a good day with a tail wind going down hill... freaking n/a eclipses :bwekk:

hmmm i always intended the newer the company's car the bigger engine more quality parts it would have. not slower but faster...dont ya think?

bigger is not always better though

some of the late 90's civics had those too(the CVT thing), some of the HX models if i remember correctly.