I post alot in the Saturn redline killz forums only cause they really talk alot in those forums and actually post daily, unlike here. I do own a GST so this is where I'm tryin to support our cars and other mitsubishi owners. Well it's come up that a Red line would be able to take a gst.What's your take on this. Eclipse turbo 210 hp vs saturn redline 205 hp supercharged, both stock. :57:

both stock, in a drag race the redline takes it hands down. the gs-t suffers from turbo lag and its inherent traction problems. the redline is super'd so it has better low-end torque and develops power smoothly throughout the whole range.

GS-T 214 lb.-ft. of torque at just 3,000 rpm
RL 200 lb-ft @ 5800 rpm
It really doesn't have more torque but the SC does give it the advantage I guess. We would have more torque at lower rpm's rigt?

I would have to say. its all come down too drive's skill

i will go with the GS-T just b/c ive seen turboed 3G's go against SC'd 3G's and the turbos would win. the comments about the supercharger giving more low-end torque is NOT true in every application.

true enough, i suppose. call it driver's skill then. but don't let the saturn badging on the redline fool you. that car is pretty bad ****.

note: I'm going of the car that I tooled around in when they first came out. If the new ones are different my opinion is probably not valid. (friends car.)

that being said:
I disagree with the saturn as a fast car. The saturn redline is a car scraped together from the GM's parts bin. the supercharger falls out of it's efficency range on every shift. that's f'ing retarded.

A typical supercharger installation also means no intercooler. I can't remember looking for one on the redline, but cold air is good air.

I do know that I was not wowed by the redline.

Add to that the unimpressive body lines, plastic body panels, and the fact that even if you do win, your still driving a saturn, and you can see that it doesn't really matter. :laughing: :grin: :P

I'm still gonna test drive that new front engine rear wheel drive convertable they have coming out...

yeah the saturn sky looks pretty sweet. its just a vauxhall vx220/opel speedster with saturn badging. ponitac will get it too, called the solstice. i think it compares with a mazda miata.... not very fast, but great roadster handling. although, ponitiac and maybe even saturn might follow it with a turbo'd version a la the vx220 turbo which if i remember correctly puts down enough power for a 10lbs/bhp ratio.

Well here is one video Redline vs gs-t the camara was in the eclipse!! GO ECLIPSE!!! :460:
http://media.putfile.com/race134

not bad on either account, tho it was so close that driver skill is a definete factor. also, is that eclipse stock? and if so, why all the gauges?

looked like a boost gauge and a narrow band a/f gauge. plus one other one. every ricer has one or even two a/f gauges where I'm from. The boost gauge is neccesary as mitsu decided not to give us decent ones.

yay for headlights. otherwise I wouldn't have seen crap. :P

a/f gauge and boost gauge arent necessary on a stock car tho, unless your a ricer because Mitsu runs that turbo at such low boost that it simply doesnt matter what your pushing, your not going to hurt anything.

i can't disagree with you on the point that the redline has cheap as body panelling and its not that sexy. However, what you said about the supercharger intercooling isn't true. The whole point of a supercharger over turbo is that it runs alot cooler. You have to intercool a turbo because the exhaust is running through the chamber right next to it heating it up. The supercharger gets air fresh and clean, and runs exceptionally well in setups I've seen with ram air. I've seen a ram air supercharged corvette come into the dealership i work in that made every guy in the shop instant orgasm cause it could blow away anything we had seen in awhile. But I have a quick question too, why are we talkin about gm vehicles on a mitsubishi website? lol just curious :P

heh. thanks. :)



No. No. Just No.

Turbocharged and Supercharged applications in an internal combustion engine should both be intercooled when possible.

The majority of heat from the turbo does not come exhaust gasses passing through the turbo. It only spends a fraction of a second by that part of said turbo. By far not enough to significantly heat it up. The heat comes from compressing the air. any time you compress air it heats up. Anytime you let air back down to a lesser pressure you cool it.

REAL WORLD TEST. pull the test c ock on your air compressor that has been sitting in your garage all day, unused. Feel the cold air? It was room temp in the compressor... why is it cold? because it's much less pressure.

Same application in Turbos and Superchargers.

Infact the popular eaton superchargers are noturious little bas tards for heating up air.

Not to mention the fact that most supercharger applications with a roots type blower sit right on top of the engine, which will also get hot.

My supercharged benz has the cutest little intercooler on it ever. cause they're running the compressor out of it's efficency range and that means even more heat from compressing the air.

Thus, if your running a supercharger without an intercooler your missing out on possible power.

cooler air means denser air, which means more can go into the combustion chamber. Also means that the air in the combustion chamber is less prone to predetonation.


I'd be willing to bet that most of the horsepower came from raw displacement, and he's running a fairly conservative boost setting. prolly somewhere around 5~7 psi. I've run supercharged vettes at elkhart lake. they are no joke.


1) some of us aren't complete mitsu freaks and own other cars... (have to have beaters. :grin: )
2) have to know the competition.
3) It's fun to talk about slow cars
4) Isn't mitsu in trouble? We're all gonna have to find new cars some day...

hahahaha, ok, ok, you win, and to tell the truth, GM does offer intercoolers for the GTP a friend just informed me. He had a 12 sec 4 dr. family car. Thats ******* awesome in my books. But yes, I'm also an old car fanatic. I had a 76 pontiac catalina, aka ITS A ******* BATTLESHIP ON WHEELS WITH A 6.6!!!! And I did smoke my fair share of rice rockets to make me feel better about how ugly it was. :)) but it also got about 6 miles to the gallon, so it had to go. :(

[quote="oldeagle"]But I have a quick question too, why are we talkin about gm vehicles on a mitsubishi website? lol just curious [/quote]
1) some of us aren't complete mitsu freaks and own other cars... (have to have beaters. :grin: )
2) have to know the competition.
3) It's fun to talk about slow cars
4) Isn't mitsu in trouble? We're all gonna have to find new cars some day...

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lol sorry but i gota disagree, the Mitsu's are the beaters :P

also, oldeagle, lol u may have beat ur share of ricers, but ive beat my share of old muscle... including a modified, rebuilt 69 Camaro SS :beer:

yeah, i've seen some rice rockets that were corvette eaters, so I'll give ya some props for that. Most of what I blew away were the ones that had played need for speed underground too much and believed that by making their car look good made it fast. They couldn't ever come back in the same area again because they'd been beaten by such a piece of ****

and i'd put money on it that you'd never beat a yanko camaro. All I have to say is, a tri-carb 427 cu. in. takes all :gunsmilie:

lol, no i doubt i'd beat that. not without AWD and about 100 more bhp

never raced one. those things are like unicorns. even if I found one on the street, I doubt the owner would race for fear of rock chips.

I still wouldn't be that afraid from the dig. I've held my own against a viper on the highway.