Sure you did!

I am sorry that I am a dickhead.

look, I'm real sorry that you got all butt hurt because you had to come online find out that your slow because you can barely beat a Honda Accord.

Some of us actually know how to make a fast car. Instead of being a **** about it, why not ask for advice. Then you may be able to take down those mean and nasty accords. ;)

but he can't beat a honda accord....he can just "hang" with it.

you know whats funny....he thinks his car is fast b/c he can "hang" with a v6 accord. but when i say the 3G V6 eclipse can "hang" with the GST, he says that the 3G is slow.

you know what, i think i just figured out why he will never believe that a well-driven 3G V6 will hang with a GST. he says the 3G is slow....if he recognizes that the 3G V6 can hang with the GST, then he is essentially saying that his car is slow also. but lord, that can't be the case, he's got God's gift to cars....THE ALMIGHTY GS-T.

Ha, yeah, no kidding. I've met supra owners with less of an ego than this kid.

See, there are things that don't add up with your car.

First, why the intercooler? you don't even have a boost controller, so you can't up the boost. why are you trying to cool air. the stock intercoolers do that. and with out bumping up the boost your not making any extra horsepower. maybe fighting off knock, or something with a cooler intake charge, but that hardly makes you go faster.

second, your still running stock fuel. there is no way you can be fast without upgrading all of that. It's the great equalizer. As soon as someone is maxing out there fuel system in a healthy car you know how much power they potentially can make.

last, you have a convertable. chassis flex and extra weight DO NOT make a car faster.

So, my guess is that you have an intercooler to look cool, a BOV to sound cool, and altezza tail lights to get ghey men intrested in you.

Give it a rest already. I'll stop ripping on you if you quit being a ... nevermind.



** EDIT **
I just realized that he'll prolly come wondernig in here and say something stupid about something, and then call my car slow again... anywho.. I figured I'd post this to show him how the fuel system stuff works.

from precisionturbo.net

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Sizing Injectors
While there are many different types and styles of injectors on the market today, it's important to note that all manufacturers use the same basic method of sizing, regardless of country of origin. Domestic injectors usually measure fuel flow in terms of pounds per hour (lbs/hr) while international applications measure in cubic centimeter (cc's).

A simple way to figure what size injector you need is to divide an engine's peak horsepower at the flywheel by the number of injectors. That number should then be multiplied by the Brake Specific Fuel Consumption (BSFC). For a naturally aspirated engine, this number is typically. 50 After you've finished multiplying, divide that by a Duty Cycle of .80. The formula looks like this:

HP / Number of Injectors x BSFC / Duty Cycle

Here's an example for an eight cylinder engine that we found would need a 24 lb/hr injector:

300 HP / 8 = 37.5 --> 37.5 X .50 BSFC = 18.75 --> 18.75 / .80 Duty Cycle = 23.43

To convert lbs/hr to cc's, multiply by 10.2. To convert cc's to lbs/hr, divide by 10.2.

Readers should note, however, what Brake Specific Fuel Consumption factor is in order to use the above formula correctly. A BSFC of .50 means an engine will use .50lbs of fuel per hour for each horsepower it produces. Competition engines with high volumetric efficiency should use a BSFC of .45 while forced induction engines should use a figure of .65.

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now, lets say I'm looking for 500hp. pretty round number. should be enough to play with vipers... at least the older ones...

500 HP / 6 cylinders = 83.333 hp/cyl --> 83.333 x .5155 BSFC (that number is emphircal from BPU 3/S's.) = 42.958 --> 42.958 / .80 inj duty cycle = 53.698

now convert to cc's.
53.698 x 10.2 = 547.719 cc / min injectors.

and what am I running? Denso 550 cc fuel injectors.

But wait, there's more.

With 104 octane street legal racing fuel bought from VP I can run the DR500s (my turbos) at full boost.

I then go over 80% injector duty cycle...

which means that I may be making over that much horsepower...

and the nice thing about the blue emanage is that my timing is still advanced right where I want it.

all without a front mount intercooler...

but anywho. feel free to chime back in again, but make it something intelligent this time. :right:

i forgot that he asked this question...."should I build my engine OR get a bigger turbo and build my engine?" :lol:

http://www.mitsubishi-forums.com/index.php...topic=10139&hl=

What's your point B I T C H ?

the V6 accords aren't horribly slow though, an old saab i had with only a mbc , bov and comp upgrade could barley take them, but then again the saab was pretty old

Most of the people who came to my school came because of those games and the F&F legacy...er whatever.

I can't stand it...I hate it when people think putting bolt-ons is tuning and being a tech.

I like talking about other cars, too, mainly because I don't just like Mitsu. The only cars I won't drive are either Korean or most GM's...not to say I don't like some of them.


BTW...TTAngel...it is so good to read about someone who knows about sizing injectors AND knows the math formula. That is impressive, and I am NOT being sarcastic. Few people actually know formulas and measurements, etc.

I have a factory intercooler a$$! They come with cars with a turbo in case you didn't know. Free mod push the boost up 2 to3 psi! Stock fuel is perfectly fine for a stock turbo! Convertible all this extra weight huh? It's 50 pounds more then a regular GST, look it up. My carbon fiber hood cuts that down almost in half. Please don't go a copy and paste someone elses work to show your smart! Read my mods again! It's weird coming from a guy who supposedly has a tt in his car, but you would never know it sitting on blocks! :liebe011:

Anyone who has taken performance automotive classes has been taught that.  I recognize ALL OF IT.



Not all turbocharged cars come with intercoolers...some Saabs don't.




]According to Consumerguide:

The GS-T convertible is 121 lbs. heavier.

damn.....so what do you have to say now casual?

If both cars are stock it's gonna be a drivers race, and a very boring one at that.

Are you still here? wow. I figured you'd be out racing some 15 year old in a CRX hatchback that runs on two cylinders...

Convertables suck **** for racing. sorry that you didn't get that memo. They add weight, and increase chassis flex almost every uniframe car.

I posted that stuff incase anyone else was wondering why I would multiply and divide numbers like that. I should have realized that you would think your car is an 800 hp monster with the stock injectors and not bothered, though... oh well, maybe someone will be able to use it.

oh, and I don't have twin turbos in my car anymore. It's got no turbos. I'm in the process of making headers for a single turbo. From scratch. As in CNC flanges, cut and weld pipes, and make them fit in a car that was never meant to be that way. not exactly a bolt on in a weekend mod.

Also, it's winter in Wisconsin. As in snow on the ground, and salt on the roads. I wouldn't be driving my car right now anyway. I have another 2 months before I'll even think about driving my turbo car. that's what I have the beater for. WINTER. The only things street racing in wisconsin right now are cra p-tastic fwd cars driven by highschoolers. You should come out, you'd fit right in. high 17 second fwd cars battling for the WIN!!!!! while slipping in the snow, causing accidents and being a general nussaince.

your a toby. screw off. :grouphug:

I drive past a high school everyday to work and it's the same thing here: stupid 16- and 17-year old kids who just got cars and licenses and think they are the fastest thing on 4 wheels. The speed limit is 45, I usually do 55 because I can and there's no cops. Not racing, just driving to keep up with traffic. Out of nowhere is a punk-a$$ in a Monte Carlo with a can on his car who thinks he's hot $hit. So, he gets up next to me and cuts me off. He then proceeds to get on the guy's a$$ in front of him, and I pass around him and go on my way. He then turns into the local high school. Go figure.

Anyway, back to the point. Convertibles suck at racing, like TTAngel said, because of body flex. The faster you go, the more the steel inside the door panels sways back and forth with your movements. They are also heavier because it takes more structural rigidity to keep them intact without a hard top.

Convertibles may not be gods gift to racing but if I were to purchase one I highly doubt that would stop me from modifying it. You say the car has alot of chassis flex but that's not extremely relevant (or at least not as relevant as if he was an all out circuit or road race car) in this particular application as he's just straight lining it. Sure it's still not the ideal platform for strip or street racing, but then again neither are 3Si's (awd or otherwise) or DSMs in general.

nope. stealths are definately not god's gift to the road. Definately not.

But if I was going to pick a car to mod, race, and then brag about online, it would not be a front wheel drive convertable.

I was fine with this kid 'til he started talking smack to the mod staff. then I had to let him know that his car was not, infact, god's gift to the street. he needs to learn far more than he already does to make a car fast, and also stop being suck a **** to people.

:beer:

lol this posts is funny as hell, this mr. casual must live in a town of old people with hondas and ugos to think hes da ****

That's why I have been responding on it, it is funny. I love people who push their "knowledge" around and know absolutely nothing.